How many would like a diesel?

If I was a SUV guy, a turbo diesel would be a default choice. I think it makes more sense in jumbo utes like the X5 and X6 or even maybe the 7 series. To have that 425lb/ft of torque at such a low RPM would be more beneficial in these bigger vehicles than the compact 3.

Originally Posted by jwac

As for tune-ability, out-of-the-box the 335d does 0-60 in a bit over 6 seconds compared to the 335i's 4.8-5.0 seconds

BMW quotes 6.1 for the 335d (286bhp) and 5.7 for the 335i (306bhp) 0-62mph for the UK market.

Stock 335d coupe 1/4 mile: 13.5 seconds at 105.12 http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335d-Timeslip-14753.html, right in there with all the stock 335i coupes with automatics.

Also, 335d remap to 345bhp / 512lbft for £550 ($1100) available from CA automotive.

Originally Posted by jwac

...I adore the velvet-smooth, free-revving BMW inline-6.

and there's the rub. I too love the inline 6 and the fact that it has twin turbos to boot just kills me. With the right exhaust it is the perfect note.

I still disagree with you on performance though. Granted 0-60 the d does and probably will get it's arse handed to it. I'm talking about racing, track days and the like. If you keep the turbo spinning so to speak on the d it will power out of an apex like a beast. That is where you win races.

Originally Posted by SonicDeathMnkey

and there's the rub. I too love the inline 6 and the fact that it has twin turbos to boot just kills me. With the right exhaust it is the perfect note.

I still disagree with you on performance though. Granted 0-60 the d does and probably will get it's arse handed to it. I'm talking about racing, track days and the like. If you keep the turbo spinning so to speak on the d it will power out of an apex like a beast. That is where you win races.

+1

He's right.

- Mike

Originally Posted by BGBMW

I'm just curious, how many bmw enthusiasts would be interested in a 323d or 330d? "Show of hands" - nothing formal.

i would like diesel, only if there is no premium for diesel cars, so that i can start saving money right away. i'd like to note that only in US, cost of diesel is more expensive than that of gas. it's all fcuked up.

320d, 320d, 320d!!!!!

Originally Posted by Emission

+1

He's right.

- Mike

I guess. Give me a stock diesel in a 3-Series that does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds and you'll have my attention. One that also doesn't sound or feel like a diesel. I don't have the patience to wait for the quarter mile for the 335d to catch up (or want to hit 106 mph for that matter).

Originally Posted by jsc

Stock 335d coupe 1/4 mile: 13.5 seconds at 105.12 http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335d-Timeslip-14753.html, right in there with all the stock 335i coupes with automatics.

In the mods section of that car, it lists an ECU remap. That wasn't a stock 335d. However, the time generated is comparable to a bone stock 335i.

Originally Posted by AK

In the mods section of that car, it lists an ECU remap. That wasn't a stock 335d. However, the time generated is comparable to a bone stock 335i.

Sorry , the stock version is this one: http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335d-Timeslip-11984.html, 13.9 at 101.6mph.

chipping a diesel is like making the Prius into an SUV. Why?

The point fo the diesel was to save fuel although diesel fuel is 20-30% more. Now you want to take way fuel economy? You might as well buy a regular gas engine.

Originally Posted by sdbrandon

chipping a diesel is like making the Prius into an SUV. Why?

The point fo the diesel was to save fuel although diesel fuel is 20-30% more. Now you want to take way fuel economy? You might as well buy a regular gas engine.

Most ECU remaps on a diesel don't affect fuel economy when the car is being driven below the enhanced boost point, so give the same economy as stock. When a diesel is remapped, the top-end boost pressure is generally upped, leading to more stress on the engine and warranty issues. Driving it at the same power levels as the stock car, it should give exactly the same economy.

The question of why a 335d vs 335i is just the same as 335i vs an ///M. I personally far prefer the very linear 8000RPM S54 engine in my Z4M over the 335i bi-turbo. There are many people who think the 335d has the best bi-turbo engine in the E9x line (European automotive journalists, for example) and many who prefer the bi-turbo in the 335i.

Originally Posted by jsc

The question of why a 335d vs 335i is just the same as 335i vs an ///M. I personally far prefer the very linear 8000RPM S54 engine in my Z4M over the 335i bi-turbo. There are many people who think the 335d has the best bi-turbo engine in the E9x line (European automotive journalists, for example) and many who prefer the bi-turbo in the 335i.

I thought what made the S54 more fun and charismatic was its progressive, increasing rush of power versus the N54's extremely flat torque curve (300 lb-ft from 1400-5000 rpm) and linear power delivery?

Diesel X5 will be great. TONS of torque.

Originally Posted by jwac

I thought what made the S54 more fun and charismatic was its progressive, increasing rush of power versus the N54's extremely flat torque curve (300 lb-ft from 1400-5000 rpm) and linear power delivery?

Exactly as I said, a linear power curve that is exactly linked to the throttle position and doesn't give up until you hit the redline at 8000RPM. The N54 is biased towards the bottom end, doesn't have much linearity at the top end, shifting at 5500RPM is about as effective as shifting at the redline.

Can't Wait -- when are they comming?

Originally Posted by jwac

I thought what made the S54 more fun and charismatic was its progressive, increasing rush of power versus the N54's extremely flat torque curve (300 lb-ft from 1400-5000 rpm) and linear power delivery?

Perhaps there are different interpretations, but in this case linear and flat are somewhat mutually exlusive, right?

"Progressive, increasing rush of power..." as RPMs increase = linear?

There is alot I would like to respond to here, though I will not for most, I have a small amount of diesel experiance and I can tell you with modern diesels you get lots of power and very little of the billowing black smoke, sure some drag diesels will do that, which by the way will kick the pants off most performance cars, and do it with 8 to 10,000 pound trucks, just think what they would do in smaller cars, and bio can be made from algae growing in the sea naturally, so you really do not need to clear food crops from farmland, least not nearly as much. and as you well know there is lots more ocean then there is land so algae farms would be a interesting idea. I have driven, for extensive period of time, 2 full sized hell huge diesel pickups, they had slight mods from stock but nothing that was expensive or harmful to the reliability of the truck, the first was a 99 ford 7.3 power stroke turbo diesel, that thing would hit 5500 on the tac while that is not 7000 It was more then enough to smoke the 38" tires in 4 wheel drive and there was no black billowing smoke thanks to 30+ pounds of boost from the turbo. granted that truck was not so great on fuel, best unloaded mileage of 17-19 the other one that was really good was a 99 dodge 1ton dually with the cumins turbo diesel that had 45+ pounds of boost and it had so much power it was scary it would burn 6 tires very well. and it pulled a house lol, my brother and I pulled a 43 foot trailer with a full sized chevy van and a full sized Winnebago 1400 miles, at 55 for safety reasons, but when we needed to pass light pressure on the pedal and it was gone. that got and unloaded mileage of 25mpg

I would like to add that in modern diesel pickups anyway your looking at stock HP numbers in the high 300's to low 400's now and with after market your looking at over 1200 HP, dont know about the rest of you but that has the ummp to do the job in my opinion, and also like to reiterate what some one else mentioned with the diesel up to a point, the more you increase the hp levels the better the fuel economy it gets, take the ford it had stock mpg numbers in the very low teens, with a huge increase in hp it got 17-19.


I would like to apologize for my run on style of writing, I know it can be difficult to read.

I would buy a 3 series wagon with BMW's 2 liter turbodiesel and manual gearbox. The 330d would also be nice, but I'll take the fuel economy of the 2 liter.

I would buy a 335d - I might when they are floating around as ex-demo or CPO

I'm still waiting for BMW to wise up and bring a more conventional (i.e. 320d or 323d) to the U. S., especially if they could get 50 state approval without the urea tank.

It is funny someone brought this back, now that the 335d is here and lots of people have driven them. Not to mention that the price of diesel is again lower then gas.

Who would want a stupid diesel smog burner anyways?

I would have loved to take a look at a 3er diesel but the 335d starting at $44k or so was just way too high a price to pay for potential gas savings and increased longevity. Depending on diesel sales of the 335d I am sure smaller diesels might make it over here with maybe "just" 300 ft-lbs of torque instead of 400+.

I would like to test both. I wish the 323d was available here, as I think it would be my next bimmer. I commute nearly 80 miles daily. My 335i is a weekend toy (modded) and my E34 work car is getting tired.

My 335d reminds me of the old yellow school buses I used to ride back in the 70s - from the sound side, only. At idle from outside the cabin there isn't any doubt it's diesel. Sloppy accelerator use results in a kick, like it must feel on the other end of a solid rocket that's been started. The diesel has a punch. No visible exhaust seen (yet).

BTW this is my first bmw and I just picked it up 5 days ago and it's still in the I'm babying my new car stay away mode