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E36 (1991 - 1999)
The E36 chassis 3-Series BMW was a huge hit among driving enthusiasts from the first moment the car hit the pavement. The E36 won numerous awards over the years it was produced and is still a favorite of many BMW enthusiasts to this day! -- View the E36 Wiki

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Old 10-03-2007, 09:36 PM
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I have a 1997 M3/a4 (automatic, sedan) w/100K miles on it. I have kept it garaged for the past 3 years since I got my X3.

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1. If I were to keep it to use as a 2nd car, what things should I have inspected/replaced?

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Old 10-03-2007, 09:48 PM
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you should trade me the m3 for my 318..ha...just kidding...try NADA.com. it's a pretty accurate site for the US..its what most dealers use. i personally would definitely keep it for a secondary..but as i have not owned one, i don't know what you should have checked. hope this helps
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I have a 1997 M3/a4 (automatic, sedan) w/100K miles on it. I have kept it garaged for the past 3 years since I got my X3.

Questions:

1. If I were to keep it to use as a 2nd car, what things should I have inspected/replaced?

2. If I were to sell it, what would it sell for? It is loaded except for no heated seats and no HK premium stereo. It is Cosmos Black w/black leather. I am the original and only owner.
I suggest taking the M3 to a stereo shop to have the system upgraded and sell the X3.I would use the money towards other upgrades,buy a pick up truck for winter,put a kid through college,adopt a pet,and pay off your mortgage.What you will spend on the X3 in the long run for tires,maintenance,and defects could prove to be more costly.The smartest thing to do is to part with the X and get in the M.
With an upgraded radio system of choice/equipped with sattelite radio/auxillary input fit for iPOD the M would be the one you will jump in and run an errand in.
I have the same MY sedan and I love it since the day I took it home.The best part of my day is when I jump in it and drive to and from work.And I wouldn't trade it for an X3 for many reasons.Hang on to a good thing,you dont want to regret getting rid of it later.
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Old 10-04-2007, 01:39 AM
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Never seen an auto M3 E36 in my life
I though this was very strange too. cant see the point of BMW making an auto version of the M3.

Maybe this is an american thing as most of the drivers over there dont know how to use a manual box.
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I though this was very strange too. cant see the point of BMW making an auto version of the M3.

Maybe this is an american thing as most of the drivers over there dont know how to use a manual box.
believe it or not,the auto trans is about a second faster than the manual trans.this transmission is probably the best matched to a BMW,except the tight programming that will not allow any slip without setting off a fault.DINAN has a cure,but my EEPROM was a donation from BMWNA engineering.I love the way it has adapted to my style.
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I've never heard of the A4 designation either for any BMW slush box.

I can assure you that this American would have NO interest in an automatic M anything and is fairly proficient with a manual!
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believe it or not,the auto trans is about a second faster than the manual trans.this transmission is probably the best matched to a BMW,except the tight programming that will not allow any slip without setting off a fault.DINAN has a cure,but my EEPROM was a donation from BMWNA engineering.I love the way it has adapted to my style.
I find this very hard to believe. Where are you getting this info from?

SMG most likely, traditional Auto doubtful.
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believe it or not,the auto trans is about a second faster than the manual trans.this transmission is probably the best matched to a BMW,except the tight programming that will not allow any slip without setting off a fault.DINAN has a cure,but my EEPROM was a donation from BMWNA engineering.I love the way it has adapted to my style.
A second faster to 60 you mean???

I would like to see that!
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never? i always thought they have auto. ive seen one at pineridge golf club last week
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:12 AM
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Never been an auto M3 in Aust either. There is the SMG, and the six speed, but never an auto. Here is the current Australian brochure.

http://www.bmw.com.au/common_content...006-Feb-M3.pdf

Also, here is the latest info on Wikpedia. I have read it twice but cant find anything about an M3 Auto. There info on the 6 speed manual and the SMG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bmw_m3

Having read all this info, I would be interested to see any info on a E36 M3 Auto. Maybe it was a U.S. build only??.

We would all be naive to think that BMW sent cars to each and every country in the world, exactly the same, without regards to local demand.

Having said that, I do know that AUST has a couple of 'special run' models.

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5-speed automatic
transmission
(optional M3 Sedan)
If a customer prefers an automatic
transmission in his or her sports
car, this is the one to have. BMW
has chosen transmission and
final-drive ratios for the M3
Automatic so that overall gearing
(i.e. the transmission gear ratio
multiplied by the final-drive ratio)
is somewhat “shorter” in 1st,
2nd, 3rd and 4th gears. This
reinforces the M3’s performance.
Alone among BMW models with
automatic transmission, the M3
automatic incorporates the
3-mode shift strategy used in
European models. This provides
the following choices, all selected
at the driver’s discretion with the
mode switch on the console:
• E mode – Economy; the
normal or “default” mode.
Upshifts occur at relatively low
rpm for optimum smoothness
and fuel efficiency. Transmission
always returns to this mode
when the engine is restarted.
• S mode – Sport. Upshifts occur
at higher rpm for sportier,
more responsive performance.
• M mode – Manual. Driver
chooses 4th, 3rd or 2nd gear
manually, for very sporty driving
or for starting off from rest in a
higher gear on slippery roads.


A5S 310Z (5HP18)
E36
M3 from 1995 to 1999 production
Utilizes a lifetime filling of synthetic transmission fluid, ESSO LT 71141, no subsequent transmission fluid changes are
necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up.
ESSO LT 71141, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807.


TECHNICAL DATA

Power transmission rating
Max. torque = 310 NM (230 lb. ft.) at 4500 rpm

Max. power = 160 Kw (215 bhp) at 5800 rpm

Torque converter
Integral lock-up clutch
Stall speed = 2175 (plus/minus 100) rpm

Ratios
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
Reverse

3.67
2.00
1.41
1.00
0.69
4.1

Shift Quadrant
P R N D 4 3 2

Maximum towing distance
50 km (30 miles) at a maximum speed of 50 km/h (30 mph)

Weight
75 kg (165 lb.) without oil
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215hp...in an M3??????????????
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5-speed automatic
transmission
(optional M3 Sedan)
If a customer prefers an automatic
transmission in his or her sports
car, this is the one to have. BMW
has chosen transmission and
final-drive ratios for the M3
Automatic so that overall gearing
(i.e. the transmission gear ratio
multiplied by the final-drive ratio)
is somewhat "shorter" in 1st,
2nd, 3rd and 4th gears. This
reinforces the M3's performance.
Alone among BMW models with
automatic transmission, the M3
automatic incorporates the
3-mode shift strategy used in
European models. This provides
the following choices, all selected
at the driver's discretion with the
mode switch on the console:
• E mode – Economy; the
normal or "default" mode.
Upshifts occur at relatively low
rpm for optimum smoothness
and fuel efficiency. Transmission
always returns to this mode
when the engine is restarted.
• S mode – Sport. Upshifts occur
at higher rpm for sportier,
more responsive performance.
• M mode – Manual. Driver
chooses 4th, 3rd or 2nd gear
manually, for very sporty driving
or for starting off from rest in a
higher gear on slippery roads.


A5S 310Z (5HP18)
E36
M3 from 1995 to 1999 production
Utilizes a lifetime filling of synthetic transmission fluid, ESSO LT 71141, no subsequent transmission fluid changes are
necessary. Never mix any other oil with this transmission fluid when doing repairs or topping up.
ESSO LT 71141, BMW Part No. 83 22 9 407 807.


TECHNICAL DATA

Power transmission rating
Max. torque = 310 NM (230 lb. ft.) at 4500 rpm

Max. power = 160 Kw (215 bhp) at 5800 rpm

Torque converter
Integral lock-up clutch
Stall speed = 2175 (plus/minus 100) rpm

Ratios
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
Reverse

3.67
2.00
1.41
1.00
0.69
4.1

Shift Quadrant
P R N D 4 3 2

Maximum towing distance
50 km (30 miles) at a maximum speed of 50 km/h (30 mph)

Weight
75 kg (165 lb.) without oil
Where did this data come from??....My 13 year son could have typed this up.

Also, I have to agree with Pirate.....215hp (160kw) in an M3, I think the E30 4cyclinder had mor than that.

My M44 engine isnt that far off thoughs figures in the big picture.

Do you have a link to some 'official' web pages??

Not disbelieving, but just seems wrong.


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Just on a post note, I just googled for a BMW E36 M3 AUTO, and...........nothing what so ever came up.??
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Also, 2175rpm stall speed???????
Hmmm...maybe a Rolls Royce duel induction single bypass turbofan?? or a gas turbine M3engine.

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I have no real knowledge on this subject but I wonder if what is being talked about is an M-tech spec and not an M/// spec
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Something is not quite right here....
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I was thinking this as well to tell the truth (after my original sarcasum). My compact is ///M-tech modified, but in no way shape or form compariable to an M3.

Putting things in this light WOULD make sence.

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After a bit of research, you can indeed get an auto after 1997 on cabriolets and sedans...

We didn't get this in the UK

http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=15
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Fair enough then. Just read the article. Only in North America. I knew it never came to OZ. There not even an option for an auto here. Altho, the ratios stated by BMWtech are different to those stated in the article.

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