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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
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Old 10-27-2007, 07:48 PM
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Why does BMW do this?

According to the latest C&D article:
BMW says the 135i scoots to 60 mph in 5.3 seconds, but we expect it to at least match the 335i coupe’s 4.9-second run to 60 mph, and 13.6-second quarter-mile.
I can understand why they wouldn't want to advertise their newer, cheaper 1 series as quicker than their precious 3 series, but come on!
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Old 10-27-2007, 09:19 PM
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According to the latest C&D article:
BMW says the 135i scoots to 60 mph in 5.3 seconds, but we expect it to at least match the 335i coupe’s 4.9-second run to 60 mph, and 13.6-second quarter-mile.
I can understand why they wouldn't want to advertise their newer, cheaper 1 series as quicker than their precious 3 series, but come on!
BMW has historically understated its performance.

As far as if its the same, gearing will matter so we will have to see when they do real tests
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Old 10-28-2007, 01:47 AM
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BMW has historically understated its performance.

As far as if its the same, gearing will matter so we will have to see when they do real tests
With proper gearing and a proper LSD the numbers wil be even better like they were with my 130i I can't wait to see the numbers this Twin Turbo 135i Will be putting down with proper mods
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Old 10-28-2007, 08:24 AM
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I've always know of BMW short siding themselves on performance numbers, but my question is why?
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perhaps they go by their speedometer, which is set 5 mph the true speed. just my thoughts. so it's really 0 - 65 mph.
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perhaps they go by their speedometer, which is set 5 mph the true speed. just my thoughts. so it's really 0 - 65 mph.
I've noticed that the discrepancy doesn't start until after 65 or so, ironically. That's assuming the radar guns were calibrated properly, anyways.
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I've always know of BMW short siding themselves on performance numbers, but my question is why?
To trick Audi and Mercedes owners.
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According to the latest C&D article:
BMW says the 135i scoots to 60 mph in 5.3 seconds, but we expect it to at least match the 335i coupe’s 4.9-second run to 60 mph, and 13.6-second quarter-mile.
I can understand why they wouldn't want to advertise their newer, cheaper 1 series as quicker than their precious 3 series, but come on!
Quick is not necessarily the only metric. 3x is a bigger car. It's like to say 335 is as fast as 550 while being cheaper. So what? I am still not going to buy 335.
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Old 10-29-2007, 08:33 AM
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What incentive do they have? Overestimate and people will be upset if the car doesn't meet expectations. In the US, I'm sure, you'd also be hit with lawsuits. Underestimate and you avoid that problem.

0-60 is a worthless arbitrary measure which is just used to sell cars, anyhow. How often do you go from 0-60 mph from a dead stop at full throttle, even in a car you bought entirely for fun? Thought so.
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0-60 is a worthless arbitrary measure which is just used to sell cars, anyhow. How often do you go from 0-60 mph from a dead stop at full throttle, even in a car you bought entirely for fun? Thought so.
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I've noticed that the majority of "joy" drivers often do this sort of thing. Maybe it's because we've seen all our lives "0-60 in X.X" and have simply gotten used to the idea of gunning it off the line. I've done it since I owned my first car, a 1986 Monte Carlo SS (still own it, too). I think it is safe to assume that not every vehilce will perform exactly the same every time under every condition. Just a thought.
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BMW has historically understated its performance.

Yes, but shouldn't understatement be consistently applied? It isn't the absolute number for the 135i. Rather, its the fact that BWM's 0-60 numbers for the 135i are the same as BMW's 0-60 numbers for the 335i: 5.3s. One would expect that the (slightly) lower weight of the 135i would result in a (slightly) lower 0-60 time.

Now, the weight difference is small, so the advantage is small, which begs the question: how different is this car?

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BMW has always understated the performance numbers of its cars -- this is nothing new. Reviewers have routinely shown better numbers than BMW publishes. It's the BMW philosophy of "Under Promise and Over Deliver". But BMW has not published slower 0-60 MPH numbers for the 135 (see below). You're confusing what Car and Driver was able to get with the 335 versus what BMW publishes.

The BMW published 0-60 time for the 335i is 5.3/5.5 seconds (manual/auto)

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/335icoupe/techdata.htm

The BMW published 0-60 time for the 135i is 5.1 seconds.

http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/..._catalogue.pdf


And since C&D got a 4.9 second time for the 335, the 135 will be approximately .2 faster due to less weight. I'd expect to see a 4.7 0-60 stock 135i time. Add a chip and you're in the low 4's.

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These x35 cars are quickly making 0-60 times almost meaningless, we need to be talking about 0-100 and the quarter mile.
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These x35 cars are quickly making 0-60 times almost meaningless, we need to be talking about 0-100 and the quarter mile.
Car & Driver 335i test:

0-100mph 12.1 sec.

Standing 1/4 mile: 13.6 sec @ 105 mph


135i test numbers not available yet.
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And since C&D got a 4.9 second time for the 335, the 135 will be approximately .2 faster due to less weight. I'd expect to see a 4.7 0-60 stock 135i time. Add a chip and you're in the low 4's.
I will have to see this to believe it... naught to sixty in 4.7 is faster than an Aston Martin DB9 or V8 Vantage. Getting a 135 to the low 4's is on par with base C6 vettes or 911's and approaching a Murciélago (3.8)...
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I will have to see this to believe it... naught to sixty in 4.7 is faster than an Aston Martin DB9 or V8 Vantage. Getting a 135 to the low 4's is on par with base C6 vettes or 911's and approaching a Murciélago (3.8)...
The 335 has already been tested at 4.9 0-60. Shave off 200 lbs and that should shave off .2 seconds (standard rule of thumb is .1 for every 100 lbs). Please keep in mind that 0-60 times mean very little. Let's not get all excited about a 0-60 time. As others have said, the 1/4 mile time is a MUCH better indicator of a car's power. Trying to compare this car to the aformentioned cars is just outright ridiculous. Matching an Aston Martin or a C6 in a 0-60 time means extremely little and many cars costing much less are able to reach these types of 0-60 times with little to no modifications but they'll get their ass handed to them in a 1/4 mile run.
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BMW has always understated the performance numbers of its cars -- this is nothing new. Reviewers have routinely shown better numbers than BMW publishes. It's the BMW philosophy of "Under Promise and Over Deliver". But BMW has not published slower 0-60 MPH numbers for the 135 (see below). You're confusing what Car and Driver was able to get with the 335 versus what BMW publishes.

The BMW published 0-60 time for the 335i is 5.3/5.5 seconds (manual/auto)

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/335icoupe/techdata.htm

The BMW published 0-60 time for the 135i is 5.1 seconds.

http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/..._catalogue.pdf


And since C&D got a 4.9 second time for the 335, the 135 will be approximately .2 faster due to less weight. I'd expect to see a 4.7 0-60 stock 135i time. Add a chip and you're in the low 4's.
135i in the low 4's and I think I'd suffocate myself.

Because I'd have 5 tickets in the first week of ownership. One reason why I don't have an M3. I wouldn't be able to control myself.
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I will have to see this to believe it... naught to sixty in 4.7 is faster than an Aston Martin DB9 or V8 Vantage. Getting a 135 to the low 4's is on par with base C6 vettes or 911's and approaching a Murciélago (3.8)...
The 335 has already been tested stock by C&D at 4.9 0-60. Shave off 200 lbs and that should shave off .2 seconds (standard rule of thumb is .1 for every 100 lbs). Please keep in mind that 0-60 times mean very little. Trying to compare this car to the aformentioned cars is just outright ridiculous and it makes me laugh very loudly anytime someone gets excited about a 0-60 time matching a supercar. Matching an Aston Martin or a C6 in a 0-60 time means extremely little and there are many cars costing much less are able to reach these types of 0-60 times with little to no modifications (but who cares, that's not what makes a car great). To get an idea of a car's raw power, you have to get its 1/4 mile time.


By the way, guys have already gotten 4.3 second 0-60 times and 12.5 1/4 times on chipped 335s. Now you're taking 200 lbs off that car and you should see some great results.

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