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Old 03-24-2003, 07:32 AM
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Old 03-24-2003, 07:37 AM
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:05 AM
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I think it sounds pretty good, that pic looks a little better than others I have seen too.
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:08 AM
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"After 2007, BMW plans to fit its four-cylinder engines with electronic valve actuation."

Cool, I was wondering when we'd start seeing this sort of technology. Using electronically actuated values means less engine weight and parsitic drag, as well as the ability to infinitely control the valve timing and duration. Very cool.
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:12 AM
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"After 2007, BMW plans to fit its four-cylinder engines with electronic valve actuation."

Cool, I was wondering when we'd start seeing this sort of technology. Using electronically actuated values means less engine weight and parsitic drag, as well as the ability to infinitely control the valve timing and duration. Very cool.
I was hoping they would say more about what engines will be used. I wonder if the 325 and 330 will be upgraded to bigger engines
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:18 AM
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I was hoping they would say more about what engines will be used. I wonder if the 325 and 330 will be upgraded to bigger engines
I hope not. I'd much rather see them get the same or better HP+torque and mileage from what they have now.
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:20 AM
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I hope not. I'd much rather see them get the same or better HP+torque and mileage from what they have now.
that would work, what I should have said was something to increase performance.
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:26 AM
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that would work, what I should have said was something to increase performance.
They're all going to need V8s and V12s with huge torque and HP because the E90 is going to weigh about 4 tons once they're done with it.
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Old 03-24-2003, 08:27 AM
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They're all going to need V8s and V12s with huge torque and HP because the E90 is going to weigh about 4 tons once they're done with it.
let's hope not
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Old 03-24-2003, 09:34 AM
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They're all going to need V8s and V12s with huge torque and HP because the E90 is going to weigh about 4 tons once they're done with it.
then it's just a matter of time until someone tries to fit the e90 v8 in to a 1series
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Old 03-24-2003, 11:51 AM
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Old 03-24-2003, 12:04 PM
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I saw that too. I think that the 3 series cockpit is simple enough as it is, and wouldn't need to "benefit" from something like iDrive. I suppose that the manual transmission will become a think of the past as well.
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Old 03-24-2003, 12:09 PM
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why wouldnt they use the valvetronic in the E46 ti's?
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Old 03-24-2003, 12:09 PM
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I does look like like a mini 7-er for now - with all the gadgets in it. I bet the weight will go up again. At least they preserved the manual tranny...


I wonder what the next M3 would be like - a two-ton air suspended V8 powered muscle car?
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Old 03-24-2003, 12:14 PM
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Old 03-24-2003, 12:19 PM
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Old 03-24-2003, 12:33 PM
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The new interior takes cues from the 7 Series -- say goodbye to the driver-centric theme that has been a feature of the model since its inception in 1975.


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Old 03-24-2003, 12:40 PM
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The new interior takes cues from the 7 Series -- say goodbye to the driver-centric theme that has been a feature of the model since its inception in 1975.
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This is not good news. I feel that the current 3-series has one of the nices interiors of any car, both ergonomically and cosmetically.
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Old 03-24-2003, 12:43 PM
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This is not good news. I feel that the current 3-series has one of the nices interiors of any car, both ergonomically and cosmetically.
Not to nitpick, but the E46 was already a step away from the driver-centric cockpits of the past. So it's not surprising that the following generation completes that transition.
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Old 03-24-2003, 12:45 PM
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Not to nitpick, but the E46 was already a step away from the driver-centric cockpits of the past.
In what way?
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Old 03-24-2003, 12:49 PM
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Not to nitpick, but the E46 was already a step away from the driver-centric cockpits of the past. So it's not surprising that the following generation completes that transition.
True (kind of), but i think most will agree that the e46 is a nice mix of the two. It's Driver-centric without looking so much so like the e36s.

but relative to other manufacturers it was still on of the best for drivers.

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Old 03-24-2003, 12:54 PM
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In what way?
Maybe this doesn't have much to do with the cockpit being driver-centric, but I would gladly dump the E46's kludge, unpredictable auto climate control for a good old fashioned manual dial system.

Otherwise, the cockpit seems perfect compared to anything I've ever been in.
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Old 03-24-2003, 01:25 PM
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The new interior takes cues from the 7 Series -- say goodbye to the driver-centric theme that has been a feature of the model since its inception in 1975.
The E46's interior curves toward the driver nicely. It's just not as fighter jet cockpit like as the E36.
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Old 03-24-2003, 01:27 PM
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Maybe this doesn't have much to do with the cockpit being driver-centric, but I would gladly dump the E46's kludge, unpredictable auto climate control for a good old fashioned manual dial system.
Maybe you can find someone w/ a 325 who'd be willing to trade.
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Old 03-24-2003, 01:30 PM
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Maybe you can find someone w/ a 325 who'd be willing to trade.
i believe they stopped doing those in March 2001
 

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