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7 Series - E65 / E66 (2002 - 2008)
Discussion of BMW's 4th generation E65/E66 7 Series flagship. The E65 generated much controversy, due to its radical styling and iDrive user difficulties. Nonetheless, the E65 broke records to become the best-selling 7-series iteration ever, especially after its 2005 facelift.

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Old 10-26-2013, 08:16 PM
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Old 10-27-2013, 05:48 AM
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Very nice and classic! Are those like 19'' or 20''? If you don't mind me asking, where did you buy them? URL?
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Old 10-27-2013, 07:58 AM
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Very nice and classic! Are those like 19'' or 20''? If you don't mind me asking, where did you buy them? URL?
Glad you like it!

The rims, kinda strange.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/19-B7-ALPINA...item4ac6cacdbb

that's no typo. They are for the 3 series, with a 35mm offset all around. They had the proper 19" in Matte black, but no idea when they would come in silver.

I am using H&R 25mm spacers from Turner. Including extra bolts, about 3 lbs on each hub. Not my first choice, but at least the weight is not out at the rim edge.

I thought about getting 20" in the proper E65 offset and silver (which they have), but had them weigh the rear wheels. 4 lbs additional. No thanks. The weight would be out at the rim edge.

The tires are Bridgestone S04s. I did check their weight as well. The 19 and 20" rears weigh the same, but since the rims were 4 lbs more, I passed. Plus, 19" tires ride more comfortably.

The rims require a 56mm emblem and come with Fauxpina emblems which are convincing. But I wanted BMW emblems. That was not easy to get from BMW itself. China has a solution:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251239179138...84.m1439.l2649

very nice and high quality for your knock-off Chinese facsimiles.

Spoiler:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

it's "OK". the emblem cutout on the trunk had to be trimmed to round. Also, once painted, it's a "bit" wavy and you can only see it when it's all shiny and polished up. But it was straight and true compared to the Poly Urethane crap on Ebay, which I bought, and returned. (and I changed my mind to go full on Fauxpina theme, instead of ACS)


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Old 10-27-2013, 09:55 AM
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Wow, impressive! You have done quite a thorough research. Nice job!
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Old 12-03-2013, 04:38 PM
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So I remember commenting about the ride on the H&R (760-Li-only) front lowering springs on some other thread somewhere.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-43...eling-edc.aspx

Now that I have things a bit sorted out, I can add some better feedback for those with self-leveling suspension in back. I was having issues with a mushy rear end and getting launched into the ceiling over some bumps. That is sorted out now.

The H&Rs feel about the same as stock front springs. Definitely not harsher. My ride still feels as nice as it did before and does not actually feel tighter or sportier. I've read posts from guys thinking it will destroy the ride or make it harsher and I did not find that to be the case.

For the self-leveling suspension in the rear, I did not use any adjuster rods to trick the rear leveling devices. I did the INPA hand control to set the new height, and re-setting of zero calibration (called "Ausrichtung" --"Alignment" in German). I can say: be VERY careful in those panes. I had it accidentally set to "Economy Mode" also called "Production Mode", apparently, and the self-leveling suspension was never staying put and would sag and get mushy. Now that I have that mode off, it's staying where I set it and is firm (even at 148K miles on original struts). Before I was getting a really mushy rear end which I was not sure if it was caused by the springs as well. It is no longer mushy.

I am running into a phenomenon, I won't call it an issue, but I believe that in order to truly tell the level of each corner, the car MUST be on perfectly level ground. Also I would not set the rear level using INPA unless you are perfectly level. The stock front and H&R front springs are both progressive, and I am not sure but that the H&Rs might be even softer in the first stage of spring compression. With a 4800 lb car, this makes a difference. This causes one side or the other of the front of the car to be slightly sagging, depending upon the slight slope to the side or front and back, wherever I park. Then the rear suspension tries to match it. If you try to double-check ride height in the grocery store lot like I was doing when I was having issues with Economy Mode in the rear making the self-leveling act up, you'll drive yourself nuts.

I will say, don't slam the rear to the ground with self-leveling suspension. I don't think it likes to be any lower than what I have in the pictures (about 28 3/8" from ground to inner fender arch with new 19" tires). If you put it much lower, I think the air shocks will get mushy. If anyone has any feedback to the contrary, please chime in.

All in all a great mod, even for a 52-year-old geezer, and with the spacers I added, I am happy looking at it every time I walk up to it in the parking lot.
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Old 02-01-2014, 05:58 PM
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2 questions

1) On those ebay rims. Did you get the 8.5" width all the way around or did you go staggered?

2) Did you do the 25 mm spacers on both the front and rear??
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Old 02-01-2014, 06:32 PM
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They are staggered, and the 25mm spacers are on all 4 hubs. Now that I know what I know, the actual paint finish on the rims is not all that marvelous, so if I did it again. I might buy the matte black ones in 19" with the standard 7-series offset, and just get them blasted and powdercoated. The silver ones I have don't look bad, but it's not like some seriously flawless finish like you might expect from real Alpina rims. If the cost were around $100 or so, per rim to paint or powdercoat, it would be close enough to what I paid for spacers, and you don't add all that weight at the hub. You could then play around with a bit of thin spaciers here and there to get them out to where you want.

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Old 02-03-2014, 10:20 AM
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Looks nice. Love the rear lip. But the rims just look to small to me on a such a huge car. Alpina wheels look best in 21 inch, IMO. Everyone always says 19's or 20's ride better. Our suspensions are so good there is practically no difference at all. I'm riding 22's and its lowered and mine rides smooth as silk...like on a sporty cloud. Just like a BMW should.
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Old 02-03-2014, 10:55 AM
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Agree on looks of larger rims, my car came with style 32 rims. But with the run-flats they put on them, I did not like the feel of bumps and harsh objects when I hit them. Maybe non run-flats would have been smoother.



my biggest concern with my car is acceleration performance. The larger the rim, the more it weighs, especially out at the rim edge, which is where the weight hurts most when trying to accelerate. I've felt it before on a massively modified turboed 300zx I used to have. the stock 16" rims accelerated so quickly, but the cast 18" show rims which weighed almost 10 lbs more each, in the rear, really slogged it down. This was with 600 RWHP!!

But if I were showing the car (which I am not), the larger the better. Also, the fake Aplinas on Ebay only come as large as 20", so I would have to belly up to the bar and pay $5000 or so for a set of real 21" Alpinas, instead of the $1500 or so I paid for these. Not going to happen. I paid a little more than $5K for a replacement engine. That was where my $5K went last year.

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Old 02-03-2014, 12:10 PM
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They are staggered, and the 25mm spacers are on all 4 hubs. Now that I know what I know, the actual paint finish on the rims is not all that marvelous, so if I did it again. I might buy the matte black ones in 19" with the standard 7-series offset, and just get them blasted and powdercoated. The silver ones I have don't look bad, but it's not like some seriously flawless finish like you might expect from real Alpina rims. If the cost were around $100 or so, per rim to paint or powdercoat, it would be close enough to what I paid for spacers, and you don't add all that weight at the hub. You could then play around with a bit of thin spaciers here and there to get them out to where you want.
I was quoted $60 per rim here....this was for 22" wheels.

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Old 02-03-2014, 01:37 PM
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good old BR&F, I'm in the same town. They are very reasonable. watch out they don't put heck thick extra layers of primer powder on there until things look all ballooned up and thick. They did that to an intake plenum I sent in, but mostly for sealing up any stray oil that might still be on it. Still, looked like frosting on a cake, almost.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:13 PM
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i just thought of something. powdercoating the rims might not work with the plastic center section. might have to paint, instead.

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I am jumping on the band wagon. I just ordered the Alpina front bumper and rear spoiler. I think car should be done in a week or so. Going to paint the letters silver on front bumper just need color code from dealer, or is it any sliver??
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Coming soon....
I bought all OEM PARTS
This is not my car but will look the same when done. I will just have different rims
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Just got the front bumper cover. I thought it was one piece. Looks like this bad boy is going to have to get glued on. Rear wing comes in at the end of the week.

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Old 06-08-2015, 11:16 AM
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He He, looks like a fun project. My car was just gone for more than 2 months, while my mechanic carefully figured out the real reason why I had a misfire on an exhaust valve. Meanwhile, I had bought an M6, and driving it daily. I was worried when I got my FauxPina back, I'd be underwhelmed. Quite the opposite. When he drove the car up to my house and swung it into the driveway, i realized I still loved the mods I did. I think you will as well.

buying OE rims you say? those things are cool. The air gets filled under the center bolt cap cover and it goes into the tire through a hole drilled down one of the spokes! Wild.
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I'm not going with alpina wheels. I'm sticking with my Vertini Magic wheels. MWS we met before a long time ago at your work close to Lawrence Expy. Forgot what it was I bought from you,
Back then my car had the stock 20" sport wheels
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Just got the front bumper cover. I thought it was one piece. Looks like this bad boy is going to have to get glued on. Rear wing comes in at the end of the week.

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where did you get the bumper and wing? and how much did you pay? if you don't mind me asking,,
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where did you get the bumper and wing? and how much did you pay? if you don't mind me asking,,
$450 for wing at a wrecking yard in the east coast. They took it off with a wire from trunk of Alpina that was crashed. So it's on it's way to California. The place is called Nation wide. I used car-part.com to find it.
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$450 for wing at a wrecking yard in the east coast. They took it off with a wire from trunk of Alpina that was crashed. So it's on it's way to California. The place is called Nation wide. I used car-part.com to find it.
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I just went to look at a real Alpina
The bumper is different and contours the "Body kit" white bumper in picture above. The bodyshop was going to cut mine in order to make the white bumper sit on to the black one.
I might have to think about this maybe purchase the correct bumper for the white part

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There is no way it's going to fit and I don't want to have my bumper fall off in long run. I'm debating wether to go with the stock original 750i bumper or buy a used Alpina complete bumper with money from the return of white primered Alpina lower bumper

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She will be beautiful again!!! Getting complete Alpina bumper!!!

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