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Old 11-12-2007, 02:45 PM
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328i built only in Germany?

If I order a 328i Sedan from a dealership in the United States, is it safe to assume that it will be built in Germany or do I need to specifically request that with the dealer?
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Old 11-12-2007, 03:07 PM
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The only BMWs built in the US are the Z4 and the X5. The factory is in Greer, SC. 3 Series are built in Germany and I believe in South Africa, maybe Australia as well. The Munich factory builds the sedans and I believe the touring, i.e. wagon. The coupes and convertibles are built in Regensburg. There is also a factory in Leipzig, but I am not sure which models are built there. I'm pretty sure all 3 series sold in North America are built in Germany.
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Old 11-12-2007, 03:43 PM
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I believe the new Leipzig factory was built specifically for the E9X models...I'll have to check my old Roundels to make certain. However, not all early E9X's were made there...my early '05 build was Bavarian-made.
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Old 11-12-2007, 03:47 PM
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If I order a 328i Sedan from a dealership in the United States, is it safe to assume that it will be built in Germany or do I need to specifically request that with the dealer?
Do not assume that. Many come from South Africa. FYI, the defect rates for the Rosslyn plant in South Africa are comparable and in some cases lower than the German-built versions.
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Most of the 3-series sedans are built in Germany, either at the Leipzig or Munich plant. A few also come from South Africa. However, I don't think there's any difference in defect rate. We have a SA 325i sedan and it's no more temperamental than our X3. There have been SA 3-series for many years now, its not a new thing.

I don't think you can request where it is built, but given the odds, it'll more likely be from Germany. Now if you order a coupe or convertible, I'm pretty sure all of the NA ones are from Regensburg, Germany.
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I don't think you can request where it is built,
He (or she) definitely can.
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Do not assume that. Many come from South Africa. FYI, the defect rates for the Rosslyn plant in South Africa are comparable and in some cases lower than the German-built versions.
Is there a special reason to want "Made in Germany" when all BMW plants are equipped to the same specs and undergo rigorous inspections to ensure they meet International quality standards
The vast majority don't give a damn where the car is made from, but just the driving feel (and the badge!) Imo - a problem BMW is a problem BMW, it's not a problem BMW from SA or Germany or Australia.
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Is there a special reason to want "Made in Germany" when all BMW plants are equipped to the same specs and undergo rigorous inspections to ensure they meet International quality standards
IMO, no.
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Old 11-12-2007, 04:40 PM
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I just ordered my 328i sedan 3 weeks ago, and it will be coming from South Africa.
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well, i just went and requested with the dealership that my order is german built. i don't think i would be comfortable with a south african built bmw
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:21 PM
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well, i just went and requested with the dealership that my order is german built. i don't think i would be comfortable with a south african built bmw
That is a bit sad.....

The South African plant has been one of the finest in the industry for years. It is also the same engineered product and carries the same testing and guarantee.

I guess to each his/her own but it is sad because I am sure you buy clothes and other products from sweat shops and do not even care but you have to have a German built car.

This topic seems to always come up on this site.....

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ROSSLYN, South Africa — BMW is getting around the punishing dollar-euro exchange problem by switching U.S. supplies of some new 3 Series sedans from Germany to South Africa, where the car is also made.

Thanks to the U.S.-African Growth and Opportunity Act, which lets some African countries enjoy tax-free exports of their products, the switch is saving BMW $765 on each car it exports to America — a major boost when exchange rates have pared profits of European-made cars down to the bone.

Almost half of the 55,000 3 Series cars assembled in South Africa each year are shipped to America, equivalent to about one-third of all U.S. 3 Series imports. And that is set to grow; Wolfgang Stadler, the boss of BMW's subsidiary at Rosslyn, near Pretoria, said: "In the short term, we will boost production to 60,000 units a year."

The latest-generation 3 Series went into production simultaneously at three German plants — Regensburg, Munich and Leipzig — as well as South Africa. Since 2002, BMW has pumped $320 million into the Rosslyn plant. It has a capacity of 75,000 cars a year. Only the engines and gearboxes come from Germany, everything else is made in South Africa. The plant is highly efficient; it was voted best BMW plant in the company's internal awards for 2002.

What this means to you: Bet most 3 Series buyers didn't even notice where their car was made. And if sourcing from South Africa means BMW doesn't have to hike the price, buyers likely won't complain.
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well, i just went and requested with the dealership that my order is german built. i don't think i would be comfortable with a south african built bmw
"Well, I'm just coming from the dealer and have requested that my order be German-built."

If I may ask - why wouldn't you be comfortable with a South-African assembled/produced German car?
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Old 11-12-2007, 06:53 PM
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My 2006 325i was made in SA. Not a problem or rattle after 14,000 miles. The issue isn't where - or by whom - a car is built so long as the manufacturer ensures that production methods and quality control are the same.
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It's a bit ironic.......none of the two BMWs we have are made in Germany. The 325i sport is SA, and the X3 is made by a subcontractor in Austria. Not even made by BMW. But the quality is fine, and we have had practically no reliability concerns. It has a few rare quirks, but I kinda like that; gives it a bit of a personality/attitude.
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well, i just went and requested with the dealership that my order is german built. i don't think i would be comfortable with a south african built bmw
My wife is currently leasing a 2005 325i that was made in South Africa. This car has been the best of the 3 E46s that she has owned.
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:47 PM
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Why one must make an extra effort to "explain" that the SA or other non German built BMW are "as good" as German made BMW? If one knows the car is made in Germany no need for explanation or worrying about quality at all, at least in my case. This means there is some concern there. If I'm buying a BMW (other than X5 or X3) I expect it to be German built, period. Else I would buy one of those "locally" produced cars for a significantly lower price. Just my 2 cents.
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Why one must make an extra effort to "explain" that the SA or other non German built BMW are "as good" as German made BMW? If one knows the car is made in Germany no need for explanation or worrying about quality at all, at least in my case. This means there is some concern there. If I'm buying a BMW (other than X5 or X3) I expect it to be German built, period. Else I would buy one of those "locally" produced cars for a significantly lower price. Just my 2 cents.
In this day and age virtually every car maker has plants all over the world, and I don't think quality has anything to do with where a vehicle is finally assembled.
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Yea, like all German-built BMWs have bulletproof reliability
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Why one must make an extra effort to "explain" that the SA or other non German built BMW are "as good" as German made BMW? If one knows the car is made in Germany no need for explanation or worrying about quality at all, at least in my case. This means there is some concern there. If I'm buying a BMW (other than X5 or X3) I expect it to be German built, period. Else I would buy one of those "locally" produced cars for a significantly lower price. Just my 2 cents.
Perhaps, you are suggesting BMW equips some plants better than others (then spends wads of dollars bribing inspectors to pass all BMW plants as meeting set standards). How lame!
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Do not assume that. Many come from South Africa. FYI, the defect rates for the Rosslyn plant in South Africa are comparable and in some cases lower than the German-built versions.

good to know, I bought my car off a lot, and was concerned about the SA origin.
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The only BMWs built in the US are the Z4 and the X5. The factory is in Greer, SC. 3 Series are built in Germany and I believe in South Africa, maybe Australia as well. The Munich factory builds the sedans and I believe the touring, i.e. wagon. The coupes and convertibles are built in Regensburg. There is also a factory in Leipzig, but I am not sure which models are built there. I'm pretty sure all 3 series sold in North America are built in Germany.
wrong...some 325s were built in SA
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