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Old 04-05-2003, 02:13 PM
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Husband has a 2001 330i (black on black) Beautiful car. Loves to drive it. Really likes to wash and polish it. Never lets me near it. I'm the utility half of the family - drive a 95 Toyota 4Runner. I haul groceries, dogs, furniture. I can, very amazingly (for a girl) drive a 5-speed (have since 1988).

I want a new SUV. Or excuse me, here it is a SAV, right? I am considering the Acura MDX, the X5 and sorta the Lexus 330. Actually, I wanted a 300, but they are being replaced, and I'm not sold on the 330's styling.

I'm particularly looking for driving enjoyment, safety and reliablity. Electronic cargo latches and heated steering wheels don't wow me - being able to not worry about the vehicle, in any weather, and being proud of what I'm driving are way more important. I don't just want another 4Runner - I'm looking to upgrade.

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Old 04-05-2003, 03:05 PM
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Re: Thinking about X5 - opinions?

Isn't this an oxymoron?

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I want a new SUV.

I'm particularly looking for driving enjoyment....

There are rumors of an AWD version of the new 5 series wagon due out in a year or two. If you are not in a hurry, you might want to wait and check that out.
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Old 04-05-2003, 03:23 PM
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OK, I should have said "as much driving enjoyment as there can be when you don't get to be the one driving the 330i."

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Old 04-05-2003, 03:28 PM
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I'm with bren. AWD 5'er Touring is what you want. It will probably be safer than all of the above as well. (The only thing that might be safer is the X5.)
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Old 04-05-2003, 03:39 PM
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OK, I should have said "as much driving enjoyment as there can be when you don't get to be the one driving the 330i."
Can't comment on the X5 3.0, but I have driven the X5 4.4--- and now wish I never have.

Well--- easy enough--- go drive one.

But, be prepared for the price tag before you go drive it... because IMO it deliver 95+% of the driving enjoyment of a E46's.

It put a smile on my face. Driving my wife's ML320 causes X5 envy everytime. The ML320 will be replaced by an X5 at some point. I'm waiting for Valvetronic V8 or Diesel V8.
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Old 04-05-2003, 03:40 PM
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Isn't this an oxymoron?
With the X5, surprisingly it is not!
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Old 04-05-2003, 03:59 PM
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Well, since you are at a BMW site, you'll get BMW slanted opinions. I've driven the Lexus, the MDX, and the X5 (in both the 3.0 and 4.4 models). Personally, I like the BMW the best. It has the best road feel without being punishing, and if I were to get one, I'd opt for the 5speed manual tranny. I do not believe it's an option on either of the other two.

Jon Shafer, one of the Admins at this site, all around good guy, and Sales Mgr at Cutter Motors posted this thread earlier this week, and got me thinking about our current utility/kids/weekend vehicle.

Last year my wife and I were shopping for an SUV to replace our Grand Cherokee, and since it's my wife's primary car, she opted for a 3rd row (leaving us with choices like Mountaineer, MDX and Discovery). We opted for the Rover. However, if we were to purchase today, I'd bet we'd wind up with an identically equipped car as the one Jon posted in the link above.

Good luck in your choice. All 3 of your finalists are great choices, but wouldn't 2 bimmers look cool in the garage side-by-side?
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Old 04-05-2003, 04:15 PM
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Re: Thinking about X5 - opinions?

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Husband has a 2001 330i (black on black) Beautiful car. Loves to drive it. Really likes to wash and polish it. Never lets me near it. I'm the utility half of the family - drive a 95 Toyota 4Runner. I haul groceries, dogs, furniture. I can, very amazingly (for a girl) drive a 5-speed (have since 1988).

I want a new SUV. Or excuse me, here it is a SAV, right? I am considering the Acura MDX, the X5 and sorta the Lexus 330. Actually, I wanted a 300, but they are being replaced, and I'm not sold on the 330's styling.

I'm particularly looking for driving enjoyment, safety and reliablity. Electronic cargo latches and heated steering wheels don't wow me - being able to not worry about the vehicle, in any weather, and being proud of what I'm driving are way more important. I don't just want another 4Runner - I'm looking to upgrade.

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Wait until the updated 2004 model comes out with the Valvetronic 4.4L.... It'll put your husband's 330 to shame. If that's a bit too much money, the "base" model promises to be quite a performer as well for a much more attractive price. It's unbelievable than an SAV can handle as well as a car. In the several times I have driven the current version of the 4.4, I am surprised that I have not gotten arrested. It has gobs of power and you'd be hard pressed to realize how big of a vehicle you're in when you are driving it. It is rare to find an SUV that feels as smooth and stable at 100mph on the road as a car.

Of course, this board has an anti-SUV bias, so they are obviously going to recommend a wagon, even though you have clearly said you wanted an SUV. I will warn you, however; The X5 does not have anywhere near the cargo capacity as your 4Runner. Don't say we didn't warn you.

Drive an X5 and then drive an RX/MDX. If the test drive doesn't immediately win you over, than this probably isn't the car for you.
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Sorry we're not answering you're original questions.. but I'd vote for a wagon also. More fun to drive, and possibly just as much room inside. I've heard the X5 doesn't offer all that much cargo space.
The X5 offers more storage space than a E46er wagon.

As much as the guys on this board find wagons "cool"... you'll find that alot women categorize them as "geezermobiles".

If I take my wife's response on a E46/E39 wagon vs X5... there is absolutely no doubt. The X5 causes a serious drool factor with her.... and she doesn't care much about vehicles.
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Old 04-05-2003, 04:19 PM
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We have the 3.0 and drove the MDX when we were shopping around. I think it will easily meet the needs you have and it's a lot of fun, too. Check that Shafer thread. A standard tranny X5's resale would S_U_C_K, but if you keep it as long as you've kept the Toyota, you dont need to be worried ab resale.

I'd hop on that Shafer deal if I were in the market.
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The X5 offers more storage space than a E46er wagon.

As much as the guys on this board find wagons "cool"... you'll find that alot women categorize them as "geezermobiles".

If I take my wife's response on a E46/E39 wagon... there is absolutely no doubt. The X5 causes serious drool factor.... and she doesn't care much about vehicles.
True...

I tease my mom all the time that my father and I are conspiring to replace her BMW with a wagon, and she finds it repulsive. She isn't a big fan of SUVs either, but she wouldn't be caught dead in a wagon. My dad then told her he would buy a 5er wagon, and she told him that if he did, she wouldn't let him park it in the garage, nor would she ever drive in it.

You've got to face it, no matter how much most of you hate SUVs, they are what people want. If someone chooses to spend his money on an X5 over a 525iAT, let them. Some people hate wagons and find them just as repulsive as you find SUVs.
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Old 04-05-2003, 04:30 PM
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You've got to face it, no matter how much most of you hate SUVs, they are what people want. If someone chooses to spend his money on an X5 over a 525iAT, let them. Some people hate wagons and find them just as repulsive as you find SUVs.
They are not what PEOPLE want... they are what the LADIES who live with us want.

I personally never thought a whole lot about the X5 in the past---
Feminine looks (except in black with 19"+ wheels) and an odd butt.

Big deal... or so I thought.

Then I had opportunity to take an X5 4.4 for a weekend. It out accelerated my tweaked 323i 5-spd, was shockingly sticky in the corners (and I mean it can hang with my suspension tweaked E46 nicely) and gave an all round smile on my face. Granted, alot of that is directly related to the highly entertaining V8 and the massive 19" meats on the corners.

That and the smile that I got from my wife that was bigger than the one she gave when I brought home a 1996 911 C4S. She was sold on the X5 and I was sold.

Few vehicles are around that both my wife and I agree on. The X5 is one of them.... actually, it's the only one we can agree on.

Ah screw the Valvetronic V8... I'm placing an order Monday!


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A standard tranny X5's resale would S_U_C_K, but if you keep it as long as you've kept the Toyota, you dont need to be worried ab resale.
Yes, resale would SUCK on a manual X5. Get a manual, WHITE X5 and it's yours for life!
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Yes, resale would SUCK on a manual X5. Get a manual, WHITE X5 and it's yours for life!
I bet Jon would sell that one at cost.
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I bet Jon would sell that one at cost.
Even if he sold it below cost, the future owner would still be stuck with horrible depreciation. The market for an SUV with a manual tranny is nonexistent these days.
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I bet Jon would sell that one at cost.
If that were the case (and you are probably pretty close to being spot-on), and it were last year this time or next year this time, I'd be on it in a second. Just showed my wife those pics, and she said the same thing. Getting it to the correct (oops, I mean right) coast would be another issue though.
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Hopefully the X5 3.6i will be available with three pedals, six speeds, and a 3.73.
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Ah screw the Valvetronic V8... I'm placing an order Monday!
Really?

Valvetronic is not that ground breaking. On an SAV your milage won't change a bit, I reckon.

C'mon, 4.6is, Silver on Imola Red...Cartoonish wheels and all
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Hopefully the X5 3.6i will be available with three pedals, six speeds, and a 3.73.
6-speed will definitely be out--- in steptronic!

Probably the best all round compromise is an SMG tranny.
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Totally agree! That's a dream SUV though, not a family hauler. Just like an M5 is not a family hauler.
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Really?

Valvetronic is not that ground breaking. On an SAV your milage won't change a bit, I reckon.

C'mon, 4.6is, Silver on Imola Red...Cartoonish wheels and all
No, not really! Thinking about it gets the blood boiling!

I don't care about the milage (although a reputed 10% increase is fine by me).... I want the 333hp!

The X5 was impressive with 288hp... another 50 will give it that extra clout. The 4.4 Valvetronic will make the 4.6is extinct. I saw an Imola Red X5 last week and my eyes almost bugged out... very nice machine!

You are right about the wheels--- they ARE cartoonish. Too much--- the 19"s are nice.

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Totally agree! That's a dream SUV though, not a family hauler. Just like an M5 is not a family hauler.
Sure, it's a family hauler. I'd haul my family in it!
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6-speed will definitely be out--- in steptronic!

Probably the best all round compromise is an SMG tranny.
SMG doesn't seem to make much sense in a girl car. Maybe when BMW comes out with an Audi style SMG, it will... I'm still not convinced that SMG is better than a torque converter on the street.
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SMG doesn't seem to make much sense in a girl car. Maybe when BMW comes out with an Audi style SMG, it will... I'm still not convinced that SMG is better than a torque converter on the street.
It makes sense because 1) the girls will leave it in auto mode and 2) when the guys have to drive the girl's car (which happens surprisingly frequently)... they can have a nice toy to play with.


What's the deal with the audi SMG? Dual clutch? BMW seems to be adopting it in the future--- is it superior?
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I don't care about the milage (although a reputed 10% increase is fine by me).... I want the 333hp!

The X5 was impressive with 288hp... another 50 will give it that extra clout. The 4.4 Valvetronic will make the 4.6is extinct. I saw an Imola Red X5 last week and my eyes almost bugged out... very nice machine!
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Think about it. X5 4.5 will be just another run of the mill big engined X5. X5 4.6is, on the other hand, is an M of Xs. It gets M colours, M cluster and aggressive bodykit. And it has 340hp to boot.

I'd get 4.6 over 4.5 just for the exclusivity, since you are not loosing anything tangible but gaining something intangible.

I'm not sure about the pricing, though. I guess 4.5 will be cheaper.
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