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Old 01-14-2008, 03:50 PM
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335i oil change.. every 25,000 km!!!

My baby (335i) got to 5000km and I believe I read somewhere that at this point, it should be brought to the dealership for an oil change. Well I called town and country bmw to make an appointment and the lady told me that I didn’t need one, and I should come back in 25,000 km OR 1 year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told her that she couldn’t be serious but she refused to give me an appointment... at least not an appointment covered under warranty... she told me that if i wanted an oil change under 25,000km, I had to pay...

Am I just lacking knowledge of how long a car can go without an oil change? Or does this woman fall under many that don’t know a thing about cars? Also, do all bmw dealerships have the same warranty? Maybe I got ripped off
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:02 PM
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About every 15,000 miles. (24000 kms)
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:04 PM
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oh, thankyou lol i feel dumb
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:46 PM
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Maybe I got ripped off
Probably not. Or not exactly. BMW does cover one annual oil change (15,000 miles) in the US. As an odd coincidence, BMW's (and other manufacturers') recommendations for ultra-extended oil change intervals corresponded to the introduction of "free" maintenance plans.

If you plan to keep your car for longer than 3 years, there is nothing to prevent you from changing the oil yourself, at more frequent intervals.
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Old 01-14-2008, 04:49 PM
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I changed my oil at 5000km at my own cost. The lady is correct. The question I have is how often would you guys recommend I change my oil (forgetting about the maintenance plan) assuming I'd like to keep my car well beyond 5 years and hopefully beyond 10 years???
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Does the car come with mobil 1 or another synthetic?
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Does the car come with mobil 1 or another synthetic?
bmw spec castrol full syn. 5W30. the mobil1 oil that meets bmw's spec is 0W40
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As an odd coincidence, BMW's (and other manufacturers') recommendations for ultra-extended oil change intervals corresponded to the introduction of "free" maintenance plans.
Was the oil & filter the same before the extended oil change intervals as well?
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Old 01-14-2008, 05:32 PM
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After reading multiple posts on bimmerfest and e90post on the matter, I got my oil changed this past weekend at 1,300 miles. The SA didnt understand why I wanted to "waste my money," as he said, to get it changed since bmw synthetic oil can last 15,000 miles. When I insisted, he sort of gave me the exasperated "silly women, what do they know" look.
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Was the oil & filter the same before the extended oil change intervals as well?
Mobil-1 synthetic motor oil was introduced in 1974, and the filters look even chintzier than the old style ones, if that's possible.

How many turbocharged cars did BMW sell prior to the 2007 model year?



I plan to change my oil every 5000 miles. Maybe I'm wasting my money, but there are lots of other places I can and could waste my money, too. I don't smoke, drink or do drugs, so I need some wasteful vice.
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:12 PM
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Mobil-1 synthetic motor oil was introduced in 1974, and the filters look even chintzier than the old style ones, if that's possible.

How many turbocharged cars did BMW sell prior to the 2007 model year?

I plan to change my oil every 5000 miles. Maybe I'm wasting my money, but there are lots of other places I can and could waste my money, too. I don't smoke, drink or do drugs, so I need some wasteful vice.
Are you saying that the oil we are using in our BMWs now is the same oil we were using in 1974, plus the oil filters are worse now then they were back then? I'm not trying to be a wise ass, but that's what I'm getting from your answer. As far as you changing the oil every 5K miles I don't think there's anything wrong with that but I'd extend it to 7.5K, or every year just for convenience since it's my opinion that the oil & filters we have can safely last that long.
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:59 PM
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Are you saying that the oil we are using in our BMWs now is the same oil we were using in 1974, plus the oil filters are worse now then they were back then?
I was being too literal. There is about 33 years of accumulated experience using Mobil-1 synthetic oil. I'm sure they upgraded the formulation of Mobil-1 over the years. BMW, in turn, has it's own specs that appear to exceed the Mobil-1 specs.

My own experiment was on a 1998 Volvo turbo that I've used Mobil-1 on for the last 176k miles. I've changed the oil every 5000 miles. It still doesn't use oil between routine changes. That's impressed me.

I think BMW's engineers and accountants picked a compromise that will work "most of the time". I could do 1000 mile oil changes and that would probably allow even less wear than 5000 or 7500 mile oil changes. BMW picked 15000 miles as reasonable and I just think 5000 miles is even more reasonable. Since many BMW customers lease for 3 years and don't plan to keep their cars for 10 years/200k miles, it probably doesn't matter to most. Since I do like to keep cars for 10 years/200k miles I think it's cheap insurance. (I may rethink this strategy considering all the BMW electronic gizmos.)

As for the filters, I had thought substituting the the paper filters for the old-style metal filters was out of environmental considerations. With a couple of "O" rings and a paper cartridge that are a lot more ways to screw up the new filters than the old ones.

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Old 01-14-2008, 10:29 PM
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I try and try not to get involved in oil change threads b/c nobody is ever going to have their mind chnaged, the people that think BMW doesn't know what they are doing and 3k miles is right can not be reaoned with, the people that think BMW would never do anything that would hurt longevity and changing it early is a waste of money cannot be reasoned with and the truth of the matter is you guys can do whatever you want to to your car and it will affect me not at all, but sometimes I just can't help it.

Pick a mileage that is comfortable for you and change the oil. Lots of people pick 7500 miles or 5000 miles. When you change the oil, grab a sample. Send it off to Blackstone Labs and have an OIL ANALYSIS done. Then you will KNOW if the oil was spent, good for more mileage, or changed at the right time. Adjust your oil changes accordingly.

This "I believe this, I believe that" stuff astounds me. If you save one oil change, you pay for three oil analyses. They send you sample bottles. They send you material to mail the sample back to them. It's easy and relatively cheap.

I know the V was always a good change period at 7500 miles with Mobil 1. I will probably start there and see what the analysis report says for the next time. But whatever it says, after some fine tuning, I will KNOW the appropriate age to leave the oil in the car.
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The only way to know for sure what OCI and the best oil to use is from UOA's. That said, if the info posted at the site below is accurate (the flash point is dropping by almost 200deg along with the reported shear in 1k miles of driving) there is now way I'm going 15k between changes on the N54.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...162#Post981162

Please don't give me the BMW knows best argument. Bean counters costing out BMW's maintenance plan are the ones determining the OCI, not the engineers and technicians that design and test the engines. What was BMW's recommended OCI before they introduced the free maintenance plan?
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The only way to know for sure what OCI and the best oil to use is from UOA's. That said, if the info posted at the site below is accurate (the flash point is dropping by almost 200deg along with the reported shear in 1k miles of driving) there is now way I'm going 15k between changes on the N54.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...162#Post981162

Please don't give me the BMW knows best argument. Bean counters costing out BMW's maintenance plan are the ones determining the OCI, not the engineers and technicians that design and test the engines. What was BMW's recommended OCI before they introduced the free maintenance plan?
I don't think the accountants run things at BMW. If so would engine blocks be made of an aluminum magnesium alloy? Or would suspension parts be forged aluminum instead of stamped steel? Would the leather seats be all leather instead of just the seating surfaces? Why would BMW risk engine problems from worn oil by recommending long intervals? I can go on and on.

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Because the car will last past the warranty with no oil changes at all. However, for those of us that plan to keep our cars long past the warranty, proper maintenance during the cars infancy is critical.
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If you want to observe the BMW-approved 15,000 mile interval, at least change the filter around the halfway point.
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Change the oil and filter every 7.5K miles or after 1 year.

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The one year interval is an important one for those of us who don't put that many miles on our cars. During winter driving more time is required to reach operating temperatures and more unburned hydrocarbons wind up in the crankcase. This dilutes the oil and changes the viscosity index. Your 0w40 will no longer be. A good practise is to change at the end of winter driving season. If you drive 12,000+ miles a year, give your car a break and change it twice a year. It will love you for it.
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Not another oil change thread.
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Not another oil change thread.
Oh yes indeed. I called my dealership and it is still the same as when I had my 2002 325CI in the US. IT IS ANNUALLY , AT 15000 MILES OR IF YOUR OIL MONITOR INDICATOR TELLS YOU IT NEEDS CHANGED. Taking it in Monday for a free change at 4900 miles.

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Not another oil change thread.
Oh yes.

And what's worse, I got up at 04:18 to feed the dog to find this.
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Oh yes.

And what's worse, I got up at 04:18 to feed the dog to find this.
At least I am at work right now so I did not have to get up to find it. New members = rehash again.
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At least I am at work right now so I did not have to get up to find it. New members = rehash again.


...and for the record I'm in the "1/2 factory interval" camp, changing oil and filter at approximately 7,500 miles...

...By the way, the dog is happy.
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BMW recommends SYNTHETIC :BMW brand, Castrol, Mobil 1 , Valvoline.
Mobil 1 has extended performance synthetic oil and filter (? lasts 15000 Miles ?)
Valvoline has Max Life Synthetic for high mileage cars (over 75000 miles )
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