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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 10-18-2010, 02:41 PM
ANZAC_1915 ANZAC_1915 is offline
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Do some of you wagon guys have electronic modules in the actual spare tire well? My 2010 (November 2009 build) doesn't have any modules in the actual well. Just wondering if BMW made a running change on the production line to address this problem. In my car, I can see one module forward of the spare tire well under the compartments, and one each in the side compartments towards the rear of the car.
Did you look under the styrofoam lid under the spare tire?
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:30 PM
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e60 rear drain location

e60 2004+ have two rear drain hoses. Both should poor water freely behind rear wheel on each side, both nearly impossible access from the sunroof side.
Remove rear wheels, remove undercarriage and you see a rubber end X-shape (sort-of) on top slightly closer to the back (see red mark >) and this part suppose to let water flow one-way but if some dirt stuck there it wont. that rubber-end valve is removeable and I suggest you cut some little opening on it. This place never get dirty from under (my car was 110k miles 2004 and clean like new) because it is covered anyway. Remove the end, blow hose backwards to the sunroof with your air tire compressor (do not use professional ones!), than put everything back. Get front end higher than rear (I was using my driveway), open sunroof and poor water on the each side of sunroof opening, it should come under rear tires immediately. IF not - you will find it elsewhere, mainly under rear carpet, drivers or passengers side respectively, and even in your trunk, spare tire and battery compartment (you will need a lot of water to see it there).
Note: Picture shows Drivers side rear wheel, sedan e60 2004. Good luck.
ONCE AGAIN! do not blow hi-pressure air into the drain hoses, you may end up blowing hose off the sunroof cassette and than remove headliner (hours and hours) just to get it back.
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Old 11-02-2010, 07:52 AM
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I got the dealer to move all the electronics from the bottom to the side panel of the trunk. I showed them the TSB I found on here.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:56 PM
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yep, it is good idea - I also moved electronics module from under spare tire location to the left rear fender area... I can't think of more insane placement for computer modules than under spare tire! Preventive measure: never park bmw e60 on incline where trunk appears to be lower than hood.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:43 AM
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Update on Change of Tubing, Removal of Valves

Since I had all the BMW drain tubing and valves removed and replaced with larger diameter tubing (made from a harder plastic so that it is not deformed by the clips which retain it through the D-Plillar) I have had no further problems with flooding. It really is as easy as that! If a BMW shop repair the vehicle (as was done with mine after the first flooding when the sunroof cassette, sunroof, sunroof seals, drain tubes and drain valves were all replaced with redesigned versions), you will get another flood eventually due to water flow being restricted by partially blocked valves and constricted tubes.
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:46 PM
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Me too!!


My 2006 wagon freaked out. it sat out in the rain over the weekend a couple of weeks ago and when I got in to drive it home it sent out every warning, dinged every warning ding. I was terrified to drive it. Got it to the dealer & was told there was a known problem w/ the sunroof and that the BMW Rep would have to come & look at it to determine if the electronics would be replaced completely or just repaired. Of course that would be a few days. I waited WED til MON Well, then I was told it wasn't a sunroof problem, it was a clogged drain problem. It is covered under the original warranty. I only have 4-5000 miles before I move into the CPO 100,000MI warranty. And I'm so worried this will happen again & then I'll be up S--t's Creek!
1. If they only repair, not replace the electronics what recourse do I have the nxt time?
2. Should I ask to have the sunroof cassette replaced?
3. Should I move the module out of the tire well as posted here? If the dealer won't do it & I take it somewhere else won't that effect my warranty?
4. Anything else I should make sure they do while under this warranty to try to prevent this from happening again?
I'd happily participate in a complaint letter, etc.
Why wasn't I told about this issue when I bought the car?
I don't even use the sunroof!!! The debris was probably in there when I bought the car only 7 months ago. I'm very unhappy! and of cousre the SR is saying as little as possible. I'm glad I checked this forum. Thanks!
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:33 PM
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1. If they only repair, not replace the electronics what recourse do I have the nxt time?
As long as it is documented, you might be ok.

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2. Should I ask to have the sunroof cassette replaced?
They'll say they they didn't determine it was faulty.

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3. Should I move the module out of the tire well as posted here? If the dealer won't do it & I take it somewhere else won't that effect my warranty?
I am not sure there are places where the modules and harness will fit. BMW only has a TSB for the sedan.

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4. Anything else I should make sure they do while under this warranty to try to prevent this from happening again?
I would ask them to replace the sunroof seal though. I bet it isn't as soft as it was when new, and this is how the water can get in (and also if the glass isn't adjusted correctly).

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Why wasn't I told about this issue when I bought the car?
I don't even use the sunroof!!! The debris was probably in there when I bought the car only 7 months ago. I'm very unhappy! and of cousre the SR is saying as little as possible. I'm glad I checked this forum. Thanks!
I think the "clogged drain" is their standard excuse. The fact is the drains can only accomodate a certain amount of water and it is pretty easy to exceed that if the glass alignment/seal condition aren't good.

I'd also consider getting the rear drain flap valves removed, just in case.

Look on the bright side, they're not trying to get you to pay for it.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:46 PM
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Not this time, anyway! My fear is next time.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:15 AM
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The cure to this flooding is simple.

As I keep on advising members this flooding will almost certainly happen again whilst the standard BMW narrow diameter soft tubing and valves are in place. Find an idependent sunroof specialist and have him replace the factory fitted stuff with larger and harder tubes with no valves at the ends. This will double the drain management capability and will almost certainly prevent any further flooding. ALL sunroofs leak which is why the water management systems (drain tubes) are present. When these tubes clog, which they may well do even if the sunroof is never opened as the seals are not perfect and water and small particles do get into the tubes, the water has to go somehere and it is into the trunk area when the rear tubes get blocked.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:16 AM
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As I keep on advising members this flooding will almost certainly happen again whilst the standard BMW narrow diameter soft tubing and valves are in place. Find an idependent sunroof specialist and have him replace the factory fitted stuff with larger and harder tubes with no valves at the ends. This will double the drain management capability and will almost certainly prevent any further flooding. ALL sunroofs leak which is why the water management systems (drain tubes) are present. When these tubes clog, which they may well do even if the sunroof is never opened as the seals are not perfect and water and small particles do get into the tubes, the water has to go somehere and it is into the trunk area when the rear tubes get blocked.
I agree this makes sense, but I am not going to make any modifications until the car is out of warranty. This is BMW's issue and they should fix it.
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:51 AM
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I will do that!
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Old 11-09-2010, 10:04 PM
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As I keep on advising members this flooding will almost certainly happen again whilst the standard BMW narrow diameter soft tubing and valves are in place. Find an idependent sunroof specialist and have him replace the factory fitted stuff with larger and harder tubes with no valves at the ends. This will double the drain management capability and will almost certainly prevent any further flooding. ALL sunroofs leak which is why the water management systems (drain tubes) are present. When these tubes clog, which they may well do even if the sunroof is never opened as the seals are not perfect and water and small particles do get into the tubes, the water has to go somehere and it is into the trunk area when the rear tubes get blocked.
I recently purchased a used 2004 X3 for the wife. Very happy with it but the passenger floor is damp. I'm sure the drain on the passenger side is clogged. Thanks for this tip I'll definitely be doing this fix. Do you have any pictures of the fix?
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:59 PM
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ok, im officially freaked out now!

its winter and here its been raining crazy , i tried to find a post for someone with a 09 530i but no luck.

should i be worried, or is this already fixed in my car , 2009 530i ?

please
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Old 11-10-2010, 03:34 AM
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I got the dealer to move all the electronics from the bottom to the side panel of the trunk. I showed them the TSB I found on here.
Did you have a problem with water leaks or did the dealer just take a look at the TSB.
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Old 12-02-2010, 11:47 AM
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This is a great thread with lots of helpful info besides complaining. My 2006 530 xi had the same problem last Spring when it was supposedly fixed but it happened again last week after the first heavy storm. the car is out of warranty both times and insurance paid last time but I don't think they'll pay again (and I'm afraid the additional claim will up my premium). For the people with cars out of warranty and being repaired by an independent shop (mine is at Dinan Cars-a BMW performance parts specialist), any luck in get reimbursed by BMWNA, going through the Small Claims Court, or any other recourse??? Hate to part with my wagon, but even with all the suggested prevention measure (larger drain pipes, relocating wiring and panels to the side of trunk), it seems reliable. It's too expensive as a sunny day only car.
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Old 12-24-2010, 08:01 AM
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Just has this happen last weekend driving in very heavy rain. All of a sudden, got every electronic system malfunction notice it has. Long story short, battery and spare compartment flooded and shorted out tons of stuff. Est to repair $10K! Out of warranty, but have asked dealer to go back to BMW to cover since I had similar but less severe problems in the past with unexplained error messages which they were never able to resolve, but left a trail in the service record as to what fault codes they reset.
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Old 01-04-2011, 10:27 AM
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I dont drive a BMW, but my sister has a 2008 wagon that this has happened to. Estimated repair between 7,000 - 12,000$. The dealer said drains clogged, nothing they can do. The insurance says they will pay, but in order to avoid having her premiums go up I have referenced her to this site to argue her case.
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Old 01-06-2011, 05:57 PM
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After it happened the second time, my repair shop finally relocated the electrical panels to the left side of the trunk (mounted on the side wall) so that even if the drains are clogged again (which we can't prevent) and floods the trunk, the panels will not be submerged in the water.
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Old 01-06-2011, 08:59 PM
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After it happened the second time, my repair shop finally relocated the electrical panels to the left side of the trunk (mounted on the side wall) so that even if the drains are clogged again (which we can't prevent) and floods the trunk, the panels will not be submerged in the water.
Yes, the TSB to relocate the electronics in the sedan is referenced in this thread. No TSB exists to relocate the electronics in the wagon
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:01 AM
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yes, in fact wiped out all the electricals in the sub boot in the back. thankfully all repaired under warranty 3 years ago. it is a terrible design, having all the electric components sitting in the bottom of a well. mine has not given me a problem since, love the car.
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:42 PM
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There appear to be two different ideas for removing and checking the rear drains:

1. get under the car, and pull the valve off and pull through the interior.

2. yank on the tubing from the inside until the valve falls off.


Is #2 above adequate?
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:03 PM
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Fried Electronics

Just read through this thread. Same thing happened to my 2007 530xi wagon. Rain poured down above the right side panel just above my fuse box and flooded the spare tire wheel well. $3000 worth of damage and I opted not to have the work done. Am currently searching
the net for modules. Found most of them except one labeled:
BMW 9 130 047 01
0040 1838 C2
Apparently it controls the hatch cover/shade lift feature when you open the hatch.
Anyone know what the part number is? Can't seem to find it anywhere.

Thanks,
Chet
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Old 02-03-2011, 09:27 AM
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I tried to access the SIB for the Sedan and it won't allow me to. I guess you need a membership to BMWTIS to access the info. Anyone have a PDF version of the Sedan SIB?

After reading through this thread, I am unsure if this even applies to me, so in the absense of getting the SIB that I can read, can someone tell me if the 2008 528i and 535i vehicles are included in this?

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Old 02-03-2011, 04:57 PM
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Old 02-04-2011, 07:21 AM
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