SS or JB Turbo Tuner - Bimmerfest

White3yo · #1 02-08-2008, 05:34 PM

I have read numerous positive post on both so far, and i am getting anxious to get one asap. Which of the 2 do the bimmerfest guys prefer. Thanks in Advance..

Gig103 · #2 02-08-2008, 07:58 PM

Can't go wrong with either. The SSTT comes with an additional cost for being outside the ECU, so it's less intrusive/scary to install, and thus easier to uninstall for service.

But Terry's JB is a great product at a great value, so it comes down to how paranoid you are going in for service.

Emission · #3 02-08-2008, 09:36 PM

At half the cost, and the ability to send a direct PM/e-mail the head-of-design himself (Terry), you can't go wrong with the Juicebox. In addition, he has a killer upgrade program!

Terry @ BMS · #4 02-08-2008, 09:53 PM

I'd say JB2 with the richer air/fuel targets FTW! Then again I'm biased.

ruxp · #5 02-09-2008, 12:35 AM

I'd go w/ SSTT.. similar performance, 2 min installation/removal

If I wanted the next step up I'd go w/ Procede or Dinan

White05X3 · #6 02-09-2008, 07:14 AM

I think both products are getting great reviews. However, I like the quick, easy install of the SSTT and the fact that it comes from a company that has been engineering FI BMW's for a long time now. Their customer service has been outstanding.

redadair · #7 02-09-2008, 01:12 PM

I love the TT. Very easy install - uninstall. Great power increase, drives like OEM until you ask for more. Power builds very, very smooth and very strong.

Great product.

Red

DrGP · #8 02-09-2008, 01:17 PM

The power increase of both products are in the same ball park. The JB is $200 cheaper but requires that you open up the ECU box and splice wires to make it work. The TT only requires unplugging then MAP sensor and plugging the TT into the 2 sides of the open connection. One is cheaper, the other is easier to install and remove. Those that have either one seem to be happy with them.

Terry @ BMS · #9 02-09-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DrGP

The power increase of both products are in the same ball park. The JB is $200 cheaper but requires that you open up the ECU box and splice wires to make it work. The TT only requires unplugging then MAP sensor and plugging the TT into the 2 sides of the open connection. One is cheaper, the other is easier to install and remove. Those that have either one seem to be happy with them.

FWIW no splicing required with the JB2, you just unplug 4 OEM conenctors, and plug in 4 JB2 conenctors. If you do the JB1, there are only 2 connectors to plug in. Going in to the ECU area is required to alter the air/fuel targets, which is why all of the piggyback systems install in the ECU box.

Larry Clemens · #10 02-09-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry @ BMS

FWIW no splicing required with the JB2, you just unplug 4 OEM conenctors, and plug in 4 JB2 conenctors. If you do the JB1, there are only 2 connectors to plug in. Going in to the ECU area is required to alter the air/fuel targets, which is why all of the piggyback systems install in the ECU box.

I thought the A/F targets were altered slightly via the TMAP sensor (SSTT) which is adequate for the level of boost. I am not aware of any codes being thrown with the SSTT. Both the SSTT and JB2 are great products.

Terry @ BMS · #11 02-09-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Clemens

I thought the A/F targets were altered slightly via the TMAP sensor (SSTT) which is adequate for the level of boost. I am not aware of any codes being thrown with the SSTT. Both the SSTT and JB2 are great products.

Both are great products and offer their advantages and disadvantages. But the differences in air/fuel ratios and boost curves are pretty significant. Those that want to summarize it as one being cheaper and the other being faster to install are sort of missing the big picture.

PS. We've had this debate before.

Here are independent results from someone who dyno tested both units on the same car / same dyno. This is the normal JB2, not the 93 octane JB2H.

http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237

steve07 · #12 02-10-2008, 08:16 AM

I'm looking to buy the JB2 but have doubts about intalling it myself...
I was quoted $185 from Car Treats , which is real high, considering I see it can be done for $40 in LA.

I don"t mind paying a fair price... but also don't want to be ripped off...
Does anyone know of anyone in the NY/NJ area to install it?

slant83 · #13 02-10-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ruxp

I'd go w/ SSTT.. similar performance, 2 min installation/removal

If I wanted the next step up I'd go w/ Procede or Dinan

+1

slant83 · #14 02-10-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by steve07

I'm looking to buy the JB2 but have doubts about intalling it myself...
I was quoted $185 from Car Treats , which is real high, considering I see it can be done for $40 in LA.

I don"t mind paying a fair price... but also don't want to be ripped off...
Does anyone know of anyone in the NY/NJ area to install it?

If you have doubts about self install, I'd be concerned if you need to go for service and don't uninstall the JB2. Its a great product but for you I'd consider the SSTT for that reason alone

Terry @ BMS · #15 02-10-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by slant83

If you have doubts about self install, I'd be concerned if you need to go for service and don't uninstall the JB2. Its a great product but for you I'd consider the SSTT for that reason alone

It's always best to install yourself. First you get the experience to remove the modification if you ever want to, and second you know the job is done right. To help you along we have the install video, install guide, and 24 hour phone support. It looks daunting at first but it really isn't that bad. Just go slow, and if possible ask a friend who has done it before to look over you.

amnesiac · #16 02-10-2008, 09:31 AM

Do most dealers make a big deal about their customers having their cars chipped? I talked to my service advisor about it and he said they really don't give a crap.

Terry @ BMS · #17 02-10-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by amnesiac

Do most dealers make a big deal about their customers having their cars chipped? I talked to my service advisor about it and he said they really don't give a crap.

It's really a case by case basis. But if you ever have a code or issue contact your chip manufacturer first to eliminate it as the cause. Nothing pisses off dealer techs more than trying to troubleshoot an issue and later finding out it was related to an aftermarket modification.

steve07 · #18 02-10-2008, 09:59 AM

I'm beginning to think, that in my case, the SSTT may in fact be the better choice....

TexRob · #19 02-10-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by steve07

I'm beginning to think, that in my case, the SSTT may in fact be the better choice....

Sounds like it might, even though I recommend the JB2. Have you watched the video yet for the JB2? If not, watch it first before making your final decision.

Heat00 · #20 02-10-2008, 03:04 PM

can we get a link to the sstt??

RCK · #21 02-10-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Heat00

can we get a link to the sstt??

http://www.splitsec.com/

RMcoolX · #22 02-10-2008, 05:07 PM

I vote Split Second, but you should definately consider the JB if you want to save some bucks and don't mind the additional time for install/uninstall. Both are dependable, have a loyal following, and great customer service.

luardo · #23 12-01-2008, 01:50 PM

Hey group,
I have a 335i sedan with a cat back borla exhaust, afe intake, and sstt, and am soon installing an active motorwerke BOV. However I am scared to take it to the dealer for service because I am afraid they void my warranty. Has anyone taken it to the dealer after installing any mods.

PhilipWOT · #24 12-01-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by luardo

Hey group,
I have a 335i sedan with a cat back borla exhaust, afe intake, and sstt, and am soon installing an active motorwerke BOV. However I am scared to take it to the dealer for service because I am afraid they void my warranty. Has anyone taken it to the dealer after installing any mods.

Nope, you're the first person to consider that problem!