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Old 03-18-2008, 03:03 PM
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Rob V. people are actually reporting problems with the 08 AT X3's as well. Hence the reason I am gunning for an 08 MT replacement, a discounted cpo AT 06, or my money back. There was an informal poll done here that showed an alarming increase in complaints with the AT not a decrease.

In fact many of the folks that discarded my comments as being an exception are now part of the group trading out, trading up, or refunding their X3's.

When they get rid of the GM6 transmission I would consider one, but not until. I have driven 10 different BMW's while mine has been in the shop and will drive an X5 tomorrow. Any with the GM6 tranny act up. The one's with out drive like glass.

One poster had a problematic 06 X3 got rid of it for an 07 X3 and now drives a Volvo.

Another is trading back to an AT 06' 5 speed CPO from an 08' AT X3.

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Old 03-18-2008, 03:37 PM
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Hey, no reason to point it out Ev!!! =) It's hard enough telling people I drive one now! huhuh.
seriously, while it's no BMW (that's pre-2003 build date) it's a hell of a lot better than the X3s I had.
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Old 03-19-2008, 04:22 AM
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I agree--for $15k less its a bargain and I can give up some handling and stuff to save some bucks--I wonder about the resale of the newer X3's will go down because of the trans and ecu problems.
I have been reading the forums for over 2 months for info on the X3. 2 weeks ago I visted a CPO Dealer and they had an internet price of $38,970 on a 07 X3 Sport Premium Xenon no heated seats. I check internet the morning before going to visit dealership and the price dropped to $36,970. My trade was still in a lease and had a problem with lease Company when they wanted almost $2000 more for the dealer to pay off. Told CA I would payoff lease and get back with him. This past Monday I check the dealers website to see if it was still listed and it was but the price was $32,970. I had been working with another dealer on a 07 X3 with the colors I wanted, but I could not get a set price from them, I called the CA I had worked with before but he was off on Tuesday. Talked to another CA and asked about the price drop and he told me "It has been on the lot for 41 days and we need to move it out." Still waiting on my title but might try to trade today if I can get a good OTD price.
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Old 03-19-2008, 06:59 AM
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Yeah I wanted to trade mine in at one point, but more than one dealer said they would not sell and would have to be auctioned. I would have been hugely upside down on my deal.

And that is with a 2.9% finance rate on the new vehicle as opposed to my original 5.49% on the X3.

Now you know why I want BMW to make good on this vehicle.

The value on these are plummeting faster than gas prices are going up.
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Old 03-20-2008, 12:13 PM
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Yeah I wanted to trade mine in at one point, but more than one dealer said they would not sell and would have to be auctioned.
When you take in an almost new 2007 X3 and the dealers says they would not sell, this can mean only one thing: we a a whole bunch of losers, if you happens to own a 07 or 08 X3 with AT.
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Old 03-20-2008, 12:33 PM
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When you take in an almost new 2007 X3 and the dealers says they would not sell, this can mean only one thing: we a a whole bunch of losers, if you happens to own a 07 or 08 X3 with AT.
It depends if you really can't live with the problem... I have not had any cars that were 100% to my "very high" expectations
We figured that we can live with sometimes problematic behavior of the tranny until the warranty expires, etc.
Unless BMW improves the situation with AT in future X3 models, we will probably pass on X3 next time we are shopping for a car.

I don't feel that bad about purchasing X3 though. It's a great automobile after all IMHO!
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Old 03-20-2008, 02:19 PM
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Today I am driving another x3 (build date 07/07) while mine is in the shop. I had asked for an X5, but none were available.

It shifts worse than mine. Why would they give this out as a loaner, unless they really think it's ok to drive like this. Or they are that bull headed.

Concerning the value, there was one poster stating an X3 07 with only 500 miles had been priced down to 32k. And my comment was based on going to several dealers in hopes of breaking even just to get rid of this vehicle if I could not get a trade assist, which won't be happening with BMWNA's new stance of "No Problem Found"!

My previous vehicles didnt cost $40k so I too did not have a 100% expectation, however I would like to drive one that isn't like playing Russian Roulette every time I merge into traffic. And at $40k I think that is a reasonable expectation.

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Old 03-20-2008, 02:27 PM
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Today I am driving another x3 (build date 07/07) while mine is in the shop. I had asked for an X5, but none were available.

It shifts worse than mine. Why would they give this out as a loaner, unless they really think it's ok to drive like this. Or they are that bull headed.

Concerning the value, there was one poster stating an X3 07 with only 500 miles had been priced down to 32k. And my comment was going to several dealers in hopes of breaking even just to get rid of this vehicle if I could not get a trade assist, which won't be happening with BMWNA's new stance of "No Problem Found"!

My previous vehicles didnt cost $40k so I too did not have a 100% expectation, however I would like to drive one that isn't like playing Russian Roulette every time I merge into traffic.
Sure thing, I share your level of frustration, but a few of my previous cars where in $40K range, and NONE of them were what I had hoped for in the end.

Take a look at threads on 3er forum about failed fuel pumps on 335s or RunFlat tires, etc. Driving around and simply waiting when your $40K 335 will lose most of it's power and drop in the limp mode is not fun...
Perhaps, we are not experiencing the tranny issue to the same degree (my wife drives X3 most of the time, but I do get my fair share on the 4 - 5 hour trips to the mountains, etc.), but I don't feel like loosing thousands of dollars trying to dump my X3 right away.

My $.02.

EDIT: BTW I don't think it's easy for any business to admit they are wrong, especially when it's a "ultimate driving machine" manufacturer, so I would not expect them to do much on the tranny issues other than saying "no problem found".
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Old 03-20-2008, 06:00 PM
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Again, don't expect 100% all the time. $40k should buy you some simple assurances!

I just don't like guessing, "Will it accelerate or won't it when I merge with traffic...will it stall or go, when I enter the traffic circle?"

Wondering if you are going to be broad-sided every time you take a drive is not what I expect from a BMW.

I would like to think it's just my X3 that is a Lemon and I got a Monday car, but everytime I read more about the X3 or drive another 07 or 08 X3 I get the same driving response that I don't get in a 528xi or 7 series, or 06 X3.
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Old 03-20-2008, 09:10 PM
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My 2007 X3 is my first and last BMW. Their software update did not totally fix the transmission shifting and I doubt that anything ever will.

To be realistic, BMW can't afford to recall all X3s produced in 07 and 08. But I don't have to buy another problem either.

Too bad actually since I am otherwise impressed with the build and quality of the car.
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Old 03-21-2008, 12:31 PM
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I anyone has been successful with a trade assist on the X3 with the problem AT could you please private message me.
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Old 03-21-2008, 09:14 PM
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Again, don't expect 100% all the time. $40k should buy you some simple assurances!

I just don't like guessing, "Will it accelerate or won't it when I merge with traffic...will it stall or go, when I enter the traffic circle?"

Wondering if you are going to be broad-sided every time you take a drive is not what I expect from a BMW.

I would like to think it's just my X3 that is a Lemon and I got a Monday car, but everytime I read more about the X3 or drive another 07 or 08 X3 I get the same driving response that I don't get in a 528xi or 7 series, or 06 X3.
Your problem sounds a lot more severe that what we are experiencing. Just today we drove for about 4 hours to the mountains. While X3 hesitated here and there, it was not nearly as bad as what you've described. It has improved significantly since before the regular maintenance, which was performed a few weeks ago.

I would press BMW to fix your specific issue. Have you tried escalating the issue with BMW NA if your local dealer is not helpful? I've had problems with my 325i a few years ago, and that issue was only apparent at or over 80 mph, I asked service manager of one of the local dealerships to drive with me, and that was a break through, as before they could not "recreate" the problem.

As far as expectations of the cars in the $40K segment, you can get a totally dependable Toyota Corolla for under $18K, while earlier versions of the new shaped Mercedes S class had many, many issues, and that thing starts at $85K...

Good luck!
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Old 03-23-2008, 07:34 PM
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Your problem sounds a lot more severe that what we are experiencing. Just today we drove for about 4 hours to the mountains. While X3 hesitated here and there, it was not nearly as bad as what you've described. It has improved significantly since before the regular maintenance, which was performed a few weeks ago.

I would press BMW to fix your specific issue. Have you tried escalating the issue with BMW NA if your local dealer is not helpful? I've had problems with my 325i a few years ago, and that issue was only apparent at or over 80 mph, I asked service manager of one of the local dealerships to drive with me, and that was a break through, as before they could not "recreate" the problem.

As far as expectations of the cars in the $40K segment, you can get a totally dependable Toyota Corolla for under $18K, while earlier versions of the new shaped Mercedes S class had many, many issues, and that thing starts at $85K...

Good luck!
My parents had problems with one of their Mercedes years ago. The transmission on a 560 SEL similar to what I am dealing with now. Herky Jerky shifting. A month later they had a brand new Mercedes. Sorry to say I expected the same class of service from BMWNA.

BMWNA has denied a problem with this car from the git go, yet I have hundreds of comments of different drivers experiencing this issue. I asked up front to replace it (both the dealer and BMWNA) and got a polite no).

I have driven it with a SA in the car and when it snapped gears they looked me straight in the eye and said that is the way the vehicle is supposed to perform.

Since then I have driven over 10 different BMW's and several different models. The only one that consistently drives like this, are the one's with the GM6 transmission. All the other models drive perfectly. Last week I drove a loaner X3 that was WORSE than my car. I was dumbfounded that they would even let this vehicle off the lot.

I am escalating it through different channels at this point.
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Old 03-24-2008, 10:19 AM
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Just a note to all. After returning from an ASE BMW Certified mechanic he was able to replicate the "Herky Jerky" shifting of the GM6 X3 AT transmission.

I quote, "It was if it was just not there, when I went to accelerate. My Yukon shifts smoother than this."


I will be sharing these findings with several agencies including the Attorney Generals Office for Consumer Protection, when he compiles the report, and they are made available to me.

So when they try to tell you its you or all AWD's shift this way, it's bunk!

Stay Tuned

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Old 03-24-2008, 11:01 AM
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That's great. Sounds like you're making some progress.

Isn't your DME where they found errors before? Is it looking like dealership error or defective part?
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Old 03-25-2008, 09:41 PM
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All of you are idiots.

There is only 15 complaints on the X3 at the government website of which several are repeats.

Until every single X3 owner with a problem complains, BMW will totally ignore the issue.

Again, X3 owners are idiots to post on this website and not on the government website at:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

Useless useless whiney Idiots........................
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let the flogging begin
I was tempted to but I really don't think this is going to start a firestorm. IMO, the point is valid but with bad delivery.

2008 X3, build date 12/07, no AT issues, 2289 miles. Bought back for other problems.

2008 X3, build date 09/07 (pre-software patches), no AT issues, 1600+ miles. Daily driver.
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2008 X3, build date 12/07, no AT issues, 2289 miles.

2008 X3, build date 09/07 (pre-software patches), no AT issues, 1600+ miles. Daily driver.
I love the sound of that....keep 'em coming......
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Old 03-26-2008, 06:45 AM
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All of you are idiots.

There is only 15 complaints on the X3 at the government website of which several are repeats.

Until every single X3 owner with a problem complains, BMW will totally ignore the issue.

Again, X3 owners are idiots to post on this website and not on the government website at:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/index.cfm

Useless useless whiney Idiots........................
Right idea....Wrong Approach.

I recommend filing with the Attorney Generals Office for Consumer Protection (by law they must investigate), as well as other agency's like the BBB.

Last thing BMWNA wants on the books are unresolved issues that other potential buyers can look up. Money talks!

If need be (when all else fails) file a lemon law suit. It costs you nothing!
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I was tempted to but I really don't think this is going to start a firestorm. IMO, the point is valid but with bad delivery.

2008 X3, build date 12/07, no AT issues, 2289 miles. Bought back for other problems.

2008 X3, build date 09/07 (pre-software patches), no AT issues, 1600+ miles. Daily driver.
+1

I think davelv was looking in the mirror while posting such a sound advice... I mean, he is the one driving Tbird
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I think davelv was looking in the mirror while posting such a sound advice... I mean, he is the one driving Tbird
His approach had me thinking of Amsoil but I don't know why. .
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I'm not sure you can complain to the NHTSA about poor quality which is the problem with my 2007 X3. If I had problems with the power completely failing that was truly a safety concern of course I could. But with a bad rough-changing herky-jerky transmission, and the lack of the manufacturer making it 100% right all I can do is vote with my wallet in a couple years when I get a new car again. Which you can better believe I will. And I do let people know about the transmission when ask about my ride which is often.
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Everyone: The X3 transmission is dangerous as noted by many many posters.

This is certainly something that the NHTSA can force BMW to recall.

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