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Old 11-23-2010, 12:59 PM
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Harumph.

Temperature drops the jerkiness returns. I have not felt the hard downshift while coasting to a drop in quite some time. Temps have dropped around 30 degrees and I felt that yesterday along with the hunt and peck gear shifts when accelerating gently at low speeds. I would love to floor it when pulling out of the drive but I suspect I would hit someone.
Find an good Indy garage and change your transfer case and differential fluids. It will make a world of difference.
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Any new updates

All, is anyone aware of any new solutions to the 2007 X3 transmission problems that are so well documented here in this discussion? Any new SIBs? Taking the car in next Friday. Thanks in advance.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:56 AM
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All, is anyone aware of any new solutions to the 2007 X3 transmission problems that are so well documented here in this discussion? Any new SIBs? Taking the car in next Friday. Thanks in advance.
So the reset did not work? Looks like you probably need updated software.
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Find an good Indy garage and change your transfer case and differential fluids. It will make a world of difference.
I have 5K miles on my car. I shouldn't have to change anything!

I do not see how the reset works as the 'learning' mode of the car is continuous according to the user manual for what that is worth. It should be learning all of the time so it adjust alls of the time instead of every few hundred miles or so.
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I have 5K miles on my car. I shouldn't have to change anything!

I do not see how the reset works as the 'learning' mode of the car is continuous according to the user manual for what that is worth. It should be learning all of the time so it adjust alls of the time instead of every few hundred miles or so.
Always most prevalent at low temps. Hence, another reason I keep saying it is not software alone that causes this problem. It only helps mask it.

PPXYZ. Your best bet is to do what I did as you will never be happy with your vehicle. If it has been in at least 4 times for the same thing in the first year, get a lemon lawyer and an BMW ASE certified mechanic. Then tell BMWNA that you will TA into something else. Heck who knows maybe the new one will actually be better in shifting. Once you get them to agree on a TA the dealer can't be more helpful.

Once I go this new one I couldn't be happier with it mechanically.
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Always most prevalent at low temps. Hence, another reason I keep saying it is not software alone that causes this problem. It only helps mask it.

PPXYZ. Your best bet is to do what I did as you will never be happy with your vehicle. If it has been in at least 4 times for the same thing in the first year, get a lemon lawyer and an BMW ASE certified mechanic. Then tell BMWNA that you will TA into something else. Heck who knows maybe the new one will actually be better in shifting. Once you get them to agree on a TA the dealer can't be more helpful.

Once I go this new one I couldn't be happier with it mechanically.
But in your case you bought a manual. I still wish I had that, but hands were tied due to wifey!


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True, but better than doing nothing but complain.

Maybe a different BMW altogether might work. Like a 5 series. Or maybe the new and improved 2011.

In my family you can complain all you want once you have exhausted all options.
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Just an update. Since the complete software reinstall in July 2010 the shifting problems have been completely resolved. My wife always hatred when I constantly complained about the transmission shifting, she is now tired of me telling her how much I love it (ok, not as much as a manual but that was not an option for me)
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Old 02-03-2011, 07:49 AM
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True, but better than doing nothing but complain.

Maybe a different BMW altogether might work. Like a 5 series. Or maybe the new and improved 2011.

In my family you can complain all you want once you have exhausted all options.
I totally agree. I also don't buy vehicles without a very good test drive. That way the only surprises are warranty issues, not comfort.

My 530xi shifts like a dream. Suspension is a little softer compared to 3 series but still handles great.

Still waiting for more reviews on new X3. Hopefully all great!
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I totally agree. I also don't buy vehicles without a very good test drive. That way the only surprises are warranty issues, not comfort.
I did 2 test drives of the vehicle. The problem I was having exhibited itself only when driving up and down hills or on hard accelerations or decelerations on lesser inclines. Even the service manager admitted he was unable to reproduce it in a test drive. The terrain around the dealership was completely different than in the area I live even though it's only 20 miles away. It was the first E91 that they had that problem with although he was vey familiar with X3 problems.
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I totally agree. I also don't buy vehicles without a very good test drive. That way the only surprises are warranty issues, not comfort.

My 530xi shifts like a dream. Suspension is a little softer compared to 3 series but still handles great.

Still waiting for more reviews on new X3. Hopefully all great!

MD, wish a standard type test drive would have shown me this when I got it. I am just glad I have been able to help so many people avoid the same problem or how to correct it with proper documentation and perseverance.

I think ppxyz would be much happier if he pursues a Trade Assist and got a 5'er or maybe even the new X3. If you have one of the 1 in 10 X3's that are really bad, there is just no fixing it. No amount of software or lubricant will fix it.
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Hi,

I have a 2006 BMW X3. Recently, I started noticing the exact problem described in this thread. My vehicle would rev up unnecessarily without shifting to lower gears even on a level road with no traffic. When I turn to manual, things seem to be OK.

I took it to the dealer and they told me that my transmission needs a EGS software update. There is no part fee involved but they are asking me for $363 as labor fee just to update the software!!

I think this is ridiculous.. It seems it is not covered under the warranty.

I see that the problem described in this thread is only for 2007 models and after.. but strangely the description of the problem exactly suits my case too...

Can anyone please suggest what I should do?

Thank you in advance.

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completely different transmission in the 06 so it can't be the same problem. try the reset procedure before you take it in..


turn the key to position II
hold the gas pedal down for about 35 seconds
turn car off
turn car on and start and drive it and see if it's any better.

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Thank you kjboyd.. I think you just saved me $363! I did what you suggested and I definitely see an improvement. The gears seem to be shifting alright now (as I see with the RPM lowering as it shifts to higher gears) but it still feels like there is something missing..

I'll watch closely for a couple of more days and see what happens..

By the way, what are the signs of a bad transmission? When should I start getting concerned?

Thank you very much for your help!

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Worse in the cold and now developing a hard thunk at low speeds.

Now it is starting to get 'stuck' at 3K RPMs. This problem was supposed to be taken care of pre 2009 but it still occurs from time to time.

It just sounds strained.

This can't be good. Any reports of actual transmission failure?
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Worse in the cold and now developing a hard thunk at low speeds.

Now it is starting to get 'stuck' at 3K RPMs. This problem was supposed to be taken care of pre 2009 but it still occurs from time to time.

It just sounds strained.

This can't be good. Any reports of actual transmission failure?
Will you please get a lawyer and handle this? If a lawyer won't handle this it tells volumes.

There is saying in our family that you can grip all you want once you have exhausted all possibilties.

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Will you please get a lawyer and handle this? If a lawyer won't handle this it tells volumes.

There is saying in our family that you can grip all you want once you have exhausted all possibilties.

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Not everyone has the exact same problems you did.

I have spoken with an attorney. I know the law.

These things can't always be recreated until, I suspect, they get significantly worse. It may be a matter of time or maybe nothing really bad will happen. Until I can consistently recreate the problems there isn't much I can do about it.
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Not everyone has the exact same problems you did.

I have spoken with an attorney. I know the law.

These things can't always be recreated until, I suspect, they get significantly worse. It may be a matter of time or maybe nothing really bad will happen. Until I can consistently recreate the problems there isn't much I can do about it.
That isnt exactly true either. BMW had my car in 13 times and claimed there was nothing wrong each time, but tried new firmware updates. By doing this they ratified that there was something wrong.

I also had a seperate BMW ASE certified mechanic look at it and he concluded there was a problem.

And I am very familiar with the law since I won due to detailed evidence and data gathering. And any attorney worth their degree would have taken the case if they thought it was remotely winnable or at least able to settle. Either way they make money.

The tranny problem can be recreated on cue if you have one that is bad. I know. If it is not a tranny problem then don't post here.

Your constant complaining only diminishes the validity of others having real problems.

If you want anyone's help or sympathy let us know what you have done and/or leave this sticky to people that are truly in need of help and guidance. I can and have given others step by step methodolgy to deal with BMW and the very first thing is to keep impecable records and facts.
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Ok, I am new to this thread but just spent the past two days reading through all the posts. I too, bought a 2007 X3 CPO in Sept 2009 (only had 10K miles) that has had all of the same transmission problems. I didn't realize how widespread it really is. I had the software updates (will make sure they were the latest ones) and still have the problems. I have also had MANY other problems since purchasing this car and it has been in the shop more than I have had it. Since I did not buy my car new and it has been over a year, I don't think the lemon law will apply right? I will note that I previously leased a BMW 328xi with zero problems and loved the car. This X3 has taken years off my life!

I am most concerned as to why a class action lawsuit has not been started against BMWNA for this transmission issue???? With as many unhappy X3 owners, I am sure there would be enough people to make a difference. How does this get started and I would love to be involved. There is too much documentation and proof that there is a major problem. A class action lawsuit would be a very much needed solution since BMW is obviously not willing to work with their customers.

Any thought/ideas would be appreciated! Thanks!
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That isnt exactly true either. BMW had my car in 13 times and claimed there was nothing wrong each time, but tried new firmware updates. By doing this they ratified that there was something wrong.

I also had a seperate BMW ASE certified mechanic look at it and he concluded there was a problem.

And I am very familiar with the law since I won due to detailed evidence and data gathering. And any attorney worth their degree would have taken the case if they thought it was remotely winnable or at least able to settle. Either way they make money.

The tranny problem can be recreated on cue if you have one that is bad. I know. If it is not a tranny problem then don't post here.

Your constant complaining only diminishes the validity of others having real problems.

If you want anyone's help or sympathy let us know what you have done and/or leave this sticky to people that are truly in need of help and guidance. I can and have given others step by step methodolgy to deal with BMW and the very first thing is to keep impecable records and facts.
You have a rock-hard, stuck-in-cement attitude toward anyone who has a different opinion or experience than you.

That is unhelpful and a big waste of time.
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Ok, I am new to this thread but just spent the past two days reading through all the posts. I too, bought a 2007 X3 CPO in Sept 2009 (only had 10K miles) that has had all of the same transmission problems. I didn't realize how widespread it really is. I had the software updates (will make sure they were the latest ones) and still have the problems. I have also had MANY other problems since purchasing this car and it has been in the shop more than I have had it. Since I did not buy my car new and it has been over a year, I don't think the lemon law will apply right? I will note that I previously leased a BMW 328xi with zero problems and loved the car. This X3 has taken years off my life!

I am most concerned as to why a class action lawsuit has not been started against BMWNA for this transmission issue???? With as many unhappy X3 owners, I am sure there would be enough people to make a difference. How does this get started and I would love to be involved. There is too much documentation and proof that there is a major problem. A class action lawsuit would be a very much needed solution since BMW is obviously not willing to work with their customers.

Any thought/ideas would be appreciated! Thanks!
I assume you are in Mass:

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Question: What happens if I actually bought the car at BMW of Manhattan but live in Mass and registered the car in Mass? Do the Mass used car lemon laws still apply or do I have to go by the NY laws? And I have had the car serviced at both BMW of Manhattan and BMW of Peabody, Mass.
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Question: What happens if I actually bought the car at BMW of Manhattan but live in Mass and registered the car in Mass? Do the Mass used car lemon laws still apply or do I have to go by the NY laws? And I have had the car serviced at both BMW of Manhattan and BMW of Peabody, Mass.
Call a lemon lawyer and find out. They don't cost anything.
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