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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
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Old 04-21-2008, 06:28 AM
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135 vs 335 review

Another review from the truth about cars. I think they like the 1 series, but they just can't justify ever buying one.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...s-335i-review/

The best line: "After testing BMW 135i and 335i coupes back-to-back, I can reveal that there are only two good reasons to purchase the smaller, cheaper car. Either you need a track day machine or you're an idiot."
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Old 04-21-2008, 07:10 AM
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thanks for the link...

the 1 series is without a doubt the most bloated looking BMW in their line-up.

again I say the comments after the review reveal allot...

maybe not as many kool-aid drinkers as first thought.

still fun car to drive.
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The 135i never flatters the driver; it darts around like a fat, over-caffeinated cheerleader. On the real road, the 135i continually fights the driver with heavy steering and an extremely twitchy nature.
I'm sure that reviewer would hate my ZHP, w/ 17 lb OZ rims - it makes you actually drive, and he prefers to 'cruise'.
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. . . .The 335i coupe is more attractive, more enjoyable to drive, holds its value better and offers far more real road usability than the 135i."

How many used 135i's has he seen to make the assertion they don't hold their value as well? I wanted to get a 135i but in the end the better deal and practicality won over. The lease payments on the 135i would have been $84 mth ($3k over 36mths) more than the 335i (loaded) sedan and for a car with a MSRP that is $4600 less. Also the ingress/egress with the back seat stinks and my back seat does get used. In spite of all that I still really thought about getting something fun just for me (with a moderate dose of practicality thrown in).

Between the 335i coupe and the one I'd have gone with the 135i in a nano second.

Enjoy your 1ers. Cheers, George
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I think he got the depreciation values from the lease deals on 335 vs 135. Looking at the car thru the lens of a lease really doesn't help someone go with the 135.

Again, you have to willfully decide on the the less attractive and less practical version of the same car in order to save less than $100 bucks. That is a hard sell for BMW dealers and you will see plenty of loaded 1 series sit on lots. The stripped models will sell but dealers are primarily stocked with loaded models. All three dealers near me still have their original models in from a month ago. I asked the dealer and he said they have ordered a few low optioned cars but no takers on the 42-46k models in the showroom. Big surprise!
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Another review from the truth about cars. I think they like the 1 series, but they just can't justify ever buying one.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/200...s-335i-review/

The best line: "After testing BMW 135i and 335i coupes back-to-back, I can reveal that there are only two good reasons to purchase the smaller, cheaper car. Either you need a track day machine or you're an idiot."
sounds like the guy was biased before he even got in the car
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I think he got the depreciation values from the lease deals on 335 vs 135. Looking at the car thru the lens of a lease really doesn't help someone go with the 135.

Again, you have to willfully decide on the the less attractive and less practical version of the same car in order to save less than $100 bucks. That is a hard sell for BMW dealers and you will see plenty of loaded 1 series sit on lots. The stripped models will sell but dealers are primarily stocked with loaded models. All three dealers near me still have their original models in from a month ago. I asked the dealer and he said they have ordered a few low optioned cars but no takers on the 42-46k models in the showroom. Big surprise!
I understand on the residual value (58% vs 61% in my case) but there is still no (zero) history or precedence. I had a hard time trying to swallow the 135i at $570 + tax when I could get the 335i (similarly loaded sport, prem, cold, shades, all stereo opt, etc) for $489 + tax. George
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Again, you have to willfully decide on the the less attractive and less practical version of the same car in order to save less than $100 bucks. That is a hard sell for BMW dealers and you will see plenty of loaded 1 series sit on lots. The stripped models will sell but dealers are primarily stocked with loaded models. All three dealers near me still have their original models in from a month ago. I asked the dealer and he said they have ordered a few low optioned cars but no takers on the 42-46k models in the showroom. Big surprise!
We don't need speculation pulled from your behind, we have actual sales data:

1496 1-series cars sold in the first two weeks.
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I had a hard time trying to swallow the 135i at $570 + tax when I could get the 335i (similarly loaded sport, prem, cold, shades, all stereo opt, etc) for $489 + tax. George
Bingo. As the article said: track car or idiot.
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We don't need speculation pulled from your behind, we have actual sales data:

1496 1-series cars sold in the first two weeks.
But how many were ORDERS and how many were from the lots. I was just mentioning that they seem to be sitting on the lots near me. I am sure people are ordering them, they are just not buying the fully loaded versions sitting on BMW lots.
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But how many were ORDERS and how many were from the lots. I was just mentioning that they seem to be sitting on the lots near me. I am sure people are ordering them, they are just not buying the fully loaded versions sitting on BMW lots.
Whatever, they sold 15% of their annual allotment in 2 weeks, in the middle of a recession.

the lower end 3 series usually outsells the higher model by 10:1.
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With all due respect to the latte drinkers of America, I think I'll prefer my reviews from car guys like Jeremy Clarkson:

"The fact of the matter is this. The 135 coupé is the best car BMW makes. I have no hesitation at all, then, in giving this long-awaited return to form the rare accolade of five stars.." - Jeremy Clarkson

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol...cle3103294.ece
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I have to go with Clarkson on this one. Maybe it would be easier to explain my interest in the 1er by way of the things that it's NOT. It's not a luxury car. It's not an exclusive status piece. It's not a people hauler. It's not beautiful. It's a driver's car. It has power, urgency, and emotion in copious amounts. And when I say driver's car, I don't mean a stripped-out, roll-caged, no-stereo-or-AC kit - aside from the mandatory moonroof, the compromises are all in good taste, balancing sheer driving insanity with the necessary safety features and creature comforts to make it palatable as a daily driver. It is rather like a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing in that regard - if necessary, I can dial it back so as not to reveal the depths of my lunacy to my boss and coworkers. Driven sensibly, it can appear rather tame, and may possibly be confused with its more portly brethren.

Personally, I would describe the 3er thusly - Bloated, Numb, and a bit like the 40-year old drunk who reminisces about his glory days of high school football. That's not to say that it isn't a fantastic auto - but looking to the past, it seems to have strayed a bit from its enthusiast roots. It took one path, and I, I took the path less traveled by. You may say to me that the 1er is only 200-odd pounds lighter than the 3er - and truth be told, it's only a wee bit smaller dimensionally - but my brain, eyes, feet, and loins all tell me differently.

My plan is something like this: throw some cloth seats in there, get the Dinan reflash on the ECU, and trade in the mismatched run-flats for some equal rims and regular performance rubbers. That and set my pants on fire.
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. It is rather like a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing in that regard -.............
You may say to me that the 1er is only 200-odd pounds lighter than the 3er - and truth be told, it's only a wee bit smaller dimensionally - but my brain, eyes, feet, and loins all tell me differently.

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Have you check those organs of yours lately?
Maybe I need to check my eyes.... how come I keep seeing wolf-in-pig's-clothing? Hmmm.. strange..
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Think about this - buy a 135i, throw in an LSD ($3k), intake/exhaust/chip ($1500), wider front tires, and you will outperform the new $70k M3.

Guys are already doing it with the 335i.
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Think about this - buy a 135i, throw in an LSD ($3k), intake/exhaust/chip ($1500), wider front tires, and you will outperform the new $70k M3.
And have a better looking car to boot.
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And have a better looking car to boot.

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I have to go with Clarkson on this one. Maybe it would be easier to explain my interest in the 1er by way of the things that it's NOT. It's not a luxury car. It's not an exclusive status piece. It's not a people hauler. It's not beautiful. It's a driver's car. It has power, urgency, and emotion in copious amounts. And when I say driver's car, I don't mean a stripped-out, roll-caged, no-stereo-or-AC kit - aside from the mandatory moonroof, the compromises are all in good taste, balancing sheer driving insanity with the necessary safety features and creature comforts to make it palatable as a daily driver. It is rather like a wolf-in-sheep's-clothing in that regard - if necessary, I can dial it back so as not to reveal the depths of my lunacy to my boss and coworkers. Driven sensibly, it can appear rather tame, and may possibly be confused with its more portly brethren.

Personally, I would describe the 3er thusly - Bloated, Numb, and a bit like the 40-year old drunk who reminisces about his glory days of high school football. That's not to say that it isn't a fantastic auto - but looking to the past, it seems to have strayed a bit from its enthusiast roots. It took one path, and I, I took the path less traveled by. You may say to me that the 1er is only 200-odd pounds lighter than the 3er - and truth be told, it's only a wee bit smaller dimensionally - but my brain, eyes, feet, and loins all tell me differently.

My plan is something like this: throw some cloth seats in there, get the Dinan reflash on the ECU, and trade in the mismatched run-flats for some equal rims and regular performance rubbers. That and set my pants on fire.


the ones taken the same path...except it's been put in a trash compactor...and has an unusable back seat....

these cars are more similar than you make them out to be....for example..both series have somewhat numb steering...both are too heavy.... both have some oversteer....

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Bingo. As the article said: track car or idiot.
I disagree. I find it is a terrific personal car, admittedly overpriced today. If my lease came up six months or so down the road I am sure the rates, and to a degree discounts, would be much more akin to the market mature three series. At that point the trade-off would just be the practicality of the sedan vs smaller coupe.

If going to the track I'll be there in a vintage race car, good fun. Cheers, George

ps All the crap about the looks seems a bit silly. You like it or you don't, but why put it down, call it names, put down those who like it or bought it. I find it to be tidy, compact, efficient design, etc. That said I prefer it in light (or bright) colors as it better defines the greenhouse. In dark colors and blacks the rear window definition disappears, but for many I am sure that is not an issue.
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ps All the crap about the looks seems a bit silly. You like it or you don't, but why put it down, call it names, put down those who like it or bought it. .[/QUOTE]

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ps All the crap about the looks seems a bit silly. You like it or you don't, but why put it down, call it names, put down those who like it or bought it. I find it to be tidy, compact, efficient design, etc.
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I'm tired of people forcing their negative opinions about how the "ugliness" of the 1er is basically fact and anyone who likes it is an idiot. Piss off if I can't beleive otherwise.
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"in need of a track day car or an idiot"

one has to wonder what the reviewers of the bygone 1960's might have been thinking had they forseen the rise of "track day" popularity.

the 135i is on my short list but not anytime soon. while i may be an idiot, i already have two "track day" cars. as i see it, once ya'll finish bitch slapping each other and someone actually spends some time on a track or two, we will begin to hear about the pluses and minuses of this car.

in the meantime, please continue to entertain me.
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