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Old 02-28-2014, 01:22 PM
Ommadawn Ommadawn is offline
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Thank you for your feedback. It was not what I wanted to hear, but what I was expecting. Best to 'let sleeping dogs lie'
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Old 03-01-2014, 04:48 AM
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Ommadawn,

There is one solution, if you can't live with a roof that doesn't open.
And if you dare...
Basically I had the same problem when I bought my E61 with a jammed roof.
In a sunny weekend i analyzed the mechanism and figured out the modification.

From inside the interior I removed both glass panels.
You first have to remove the rubber boots, see www.realoem.com for parts allocation.
Each panel is mounted with 2 left and 2 right torx screws.

Then clean as much as you can , check the whole mechanisme and lubricate with white grease.
Now check with your allen tool if you can get any movement in the motor.
Since the glass panels are removed, the whole mechanisme is much lighter and some movement must be possible.
If it is still jammed, problably the motorgearbox is defective or the actuator wires (drive cables) are defective.
That would be the end of the story. Remount the glass panels and leave it.

If you can get any movement in the mechanism, try to move it a bit more, see if the vent movement is possible (roof up and down) and a slide movement (slide open backwards and close) Do NOT slide it fully open.
If this works, then:
1. do my modification
2. remount the glasspanels
3. THEN do the initialization procedure.
4. Then do the fine adjustments of the glasspanels (align with roof surface and align equal gap spacing with a piece of paper)

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Old 03-01-2014, 05:52 AM
Ommadawn Ommadawn is offline
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Im prepared to have a look at it, but I cant even get the ceiling panel to open so that I can see the glass. I have never seen one of these operate. I assume winding the crank opens the ceiling panel fully first, then the glass slides back. If the crank wont rotate then the ceiling panel wont move to reveal the glass. Looks like im stuck with it. Thanks you for your replies and interest. Online forums are brilliant.

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Old 03-01-2014, 09:15 AM
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The roofliner has a separate motor, mounted in the ceiling at the back of the car. You cannot operate that motor manually.
It might be that the roofliner mechanism is not jammed.
Probably the whole sunroof is electrically disabled by removing the electrical fuse?
You can try to replace the fuse and then give the roof switch a short pull (<1 sec) backwards.
With a normal functioning roof, the roofliner will then slide backwards.
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Old 03-02-2014, 01:56 AM
Ommadawn Ommadawn is offline
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I looked at the roof again but with zero success. The fuse is intact. I reconnected the control slider switch, tried the slider, but got zero movement from the ceiling panel.
Before I went too much further I was wondering if maybe the controller needs to be re-initialised. I think doing this would mean that everything goes through a full cycle, and I don't want that to happen. If I try it, can I interrupt the initialization cycle by turning the key off? What is likely to happen If I stop halfway through? When it next is turned on will the cycle continue?
Im being a bit cautious as I don't want to be stuck with a roof jammed half open.
Im betting that if I try to re initialise, nothing will happen anyway.
Cheers
Frank

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Old 03-20-2014, 05:45 PM
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Need help!

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Hi Edmonton you can close the roof your self just sit in the back seat with blinds open look under the rear glass you will see a metal fitting which has a tapered end on the front like a ramp you will also see a small hole in it . All you need to do is use a screw driver to push this ramp reawards do each side a bit at a time as the ramp moves the glass will close . Now remember do not use the roof again as the first time you use the vent position it will push the glass at the rear back up again and to close you will have to do the procedure all over again . If you wish to do the repair I mention yourself please send me your email adress and I will send you the instructions and photos it only takes five minutes to do and afterwards you will still have a fully functioning front suroof panel which will slide and tilt along with the blinds working . The fix only disables the rear glass leaving every thing else working normaly without the rear one going up and staying up any more . Regards Howard
HELLO, I have a bmw x3... im having problem with the back portion of my sunroof not closing. I would appreciate it so very much if you can send me the instruction because I don't want to spend big $$$$ at the dealer. my email is missw03@hotmail.com. thanks in advance
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Old 03-23-2014, 03:42 PM
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Sorry I forgot to update...
I cleaned the tracks and lubed them. All is good now...so relieved. Thank you all.


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Old 03-23-2014, 04:14 PM
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Using manual open crank

Can anyone tell me if it is possible to use the manual crank when the roof shade is closed? My sunroof has been disconnected by a dealer/previous owner. Slider switch was unplugged. I want to try the fix, but can't get it open with the crank. I have tried turning but it is solid. Could someone please try their crank with the roof shade closed and see if there is any movement of the glass panels or whether it is locked? I'm guessing that I need to open the roof shade before I can get the glass open. This is probably only possible electrically?
Cheers,
Frank
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Old 03-29-2014, 05:52 PM
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Does your roof make any sound or any movement at all ? even if its not reprogrammed it should still make some sort of movement . Next check ALL fuses from memory there are two for the roof so check everyone in case . Also I know this will sound bizzare have you checked the top of the roof I have had people who purchased cars with sunroofs and they ring me up for an inspection - quote and tell me its not moving !! I have a look and lo and behold some idiot has sealed the roof closed with silicone or something else duh ! it will never move even with manual crank if this has happened so have a look next . Let me know and I'll see what else might help , Howard ]sunny] poster of repair .
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Old 03-29-2014, 09:49 PM
Ommadawn Ommadawn is offline
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Thanks for the feedback Howard. I don't see silicone. The previous owner took it to a dealer who got it shut for him and told him not to try opening again, then disconnected the slider switch. I have reconnected that, but Nada. I will check the fuses again. I found one, but will look to see if there is a second one I am missing. There is no response at all from the controls. No motor noise, nothing. I would just be happy to get the ceiling liner panel to move for starters. I was wondering if there was some sort of lock, that prevents the motor from being cranked until the roof liner is open. Once the liner is open I can start looking at how to get to the plastic bits I hope.

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Old 03-31-2014, 08:29 AM
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Can you please send me the fix for 2005 bmw x5 panoramic sunroof? My back panel will not go down due to one corner being stuck. My email: dsatina@yahoo.com. Thank you in advance. Dave
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Old 04-02-2014, 08:41 PM
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Well, I'm thoroughly convinced I'm not the only X5 with a sunroof issue. Problem is, I see a lot of mention of the problem (me included) but no fixes. Any REAL help out there (other than $$dealers)?
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:52 AM
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Fantastic YouTube Video

Go to Homerraas on YouTube. Two parts. Fix the stuck rear sunroof for free.

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Old 04-03-2014, 09:35 AM
vickmarine vickmarine is offline
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Thanks Dutchman for the link...seen that video...great video, but it only addresses getting it closed. I'd like to know how to repair the darn thing without going to the dealer.
Thanks again!!
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  #265  
Old 04-13-2014, 09:37 AM
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Watch part TWO of the video after watching part one. It will come up as a suggested video after you complete watching the first.
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:06 AM
shahramkel shahramkel is offline
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Helpful pictures page 3

Try this link:
BMWPanoramasunroofclosingandfixing[1].pdf
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Old 04-13-2014, 08:05 PM
sunny43.5 sunny43.5 is offline
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As the original poster of photos and repair instructions back on page two and also subsequent postings I had a look at the video whilst helpful its a bit long winded with some unnecessary procedures if you go to this page and scroll down you can see the repair and trust me it takes only a few minutes to complete and DO NOT remove the console its unnecessary . I have repaired dozens and dozens and never had to do the console thing .


http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...=284615&page=9
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Old 04-14-2014, 06:06 PM
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Hi all from down under , I have spent 30 years plus working with sunroofs and only recently did I figure out how to solve the malady of the X5 sunroofs being stuck open . DO not spend the ridiculous money that dealers and the like want to rob you of , the fix that I have discovered is so simple it that I am surprised it hasn,t been disclosed before . First thing to point out here is that the repair will render the rear part of your sunroof totally inoperable , what I mean is that you can still use your shades and slide the front glass open and tilt the front glass but the rear will remain permanently closed . Obviously if there is any other problems with your roof other than the rear stuck open this will not help. As a newby on this forum I will not disclose the fix in public if you wish to find out please feel free to contact me and send me your email so I can send the photos and details . The fix can be done by any one with some simple home tools and believe it or not takes no more than five minutes to do . Howard
Hey there I am also having problems closing my sunroof I can close the front one but it is hittilng on the back window because the back window is stuck in tilt postion and I cannt get it to close!! I just bought the car a week ago and this just happened to me is there anything you can do to help me out? I live in Northern new York and it rains a lot here so its been sittingin my garage for the last three days because of the rain! If there is anything you can do to help me I would appreciate it ! My email is sullivansflooring@gmail.com Oh yeah its a 2004 BMWX5

Thanks again,
Brandon
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:43 AM
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Hi Sully here is what I have done when this happens , close the rear roof per instructions on the link above . Next MAKE SURE to have the car engine running for the next bit see if the front roof will then slide back as per normal you may need to hold the opening button to get it to go back { in some circumstances you may need to help the front roof drop down past the rear one } get someone to gently push down at the rear of the front glass whilst you operate the switch . Once you get the front one back do the modification as shown takes 3 minutes . Then do a complete reprogramming sequence as per instructions DO NOT remove your finger from the button until the roof has cycled twice and the blinds are then closed if you stop before every thing has finished you will have to start again . ENGINE RUNNING for the reprogram for best results .
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Old 04-23-2014, 02:33 AM
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Good idea...OR....give myself an uppercut??

Looking for a little advice.....

I have the Pano roof in my '05 E53.

Roof works great and seems smooth.... apart from the most annoying bloody rattle.

It's the front sunshade panel and it doesn't happen all the time.

When it rattles, the slightest pressure up against the sunshade panel shuts it up. Just the softest touch with one finger takes care of it.

I'm guessing touching it takes away the vibration in the panel that sets off the rattle.

Anyway, my question is..... is it possible to access the rear of the sunshade panel AND if I could, would it be ok to stick some thin dynamat onto the rear of that sunshade panel??

I'm pretty confident the dynamat would shut it up, but not sure if it would foul on anything back in the cassette if the panel is slid back......

Anyone able to help??

Thanks,

Phil
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:31 AM
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Hi Phil from a fellow aussie , I would not recommend that you try and fit the dynamat to the shade . The problem with this model sunroof is that it is so over engineered that if you put something where it should not go it may foul the operating parts . The only way you can access the rear of the shade would be by removing the glass , the way the two shades work is a very complex system with lots of flimsy plastic parts and some rather fragile pulley system for the blinds with a very fine nylon cord less than .05 ml diameter . When the shades retract the back one slides back and actually drops down into a recess this then allows the front one to slide over the top of the back one that's why I would not be trying to fit something in there it could jam up the roof . I really don,t have an answer for the rattle does it do it in the closed position or when part opened maybe experiment with the front shade by not quite closing it to see if it helps .
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:34 AM
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Final suggestion I have a good friend in Perth WA at Prestige Sunroofs WA 2/10 Parkinson Ln, Kardinya WA 6163
(08) 9331 5088 his name is Kelvin Parker he has removed a few of these and done repairs since I showed him how to fix the other problem with these roofs . He is over in the UK at the moment and should be back early in May it is worth a call to him maybe .
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:43 AM
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Hey, thanks for that Sunny.

I must admit, I have had some dynamat squirrelled away for ages with this in mind but have never actually had a crack at it for fear of doom!! Lol

I've played with the roof adnauseam and while it may stop it for a while, eventually it comes back.

I've found that a strategically placed bit of c channel rubber jammed up in the front edge of the sunshade panel is a 'reasonable' stop gap measure, but it falls out in high heat and when it's really cold.

Would love to find something more permanent and less annoying.

I actually think it's the rope/string bits losing tension and rattling up and down, but I am just guessing.

I spoke with someone at Prestige late last year about this very thing and they pretty much just apologised on behalf of BMW and Webasto. Haha

The rattle is a shame because they are such a nice car and otherwise really well engineered. Can't fault it otherwise.

For now, I think I'll just continue on with the rubber c channel........ I'm sure BMW would be super proud to hear it's come to that!!!! lol



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Old 04-30-2014, 09:15 PM
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Hi all from down under , I have spent 30 years plus working with sunroofs and only recently did I figure out how to solve the malady of the X5 sunroofs being stuck open . DO not spend the ridiculous money that dealers and the like want to rob you of , the fix that I have discovered is so simple it that I am surprised it hasn,t been disclosed before . First thing to point out here is that the repair will render the rear part of your sunroof totally inoperable , what I mean is that you can still use your shades and slide the front glass open and tilt the front glass but the rear will remain permanently closed . Obviously if there is any other problems with your roof other than the rear stuck open this will not help. As a newby on this forum I will not disclose the fix in public if you wish to find out please feel free to contact me and send me your email so I can send the photos and details . The fix can be done by any one with some simple home tools and believe it or not takes no more than five minutes to do . Howard
I have this sunroof problem. I went to a German car specialist and they charged me $95 to tell me they wanted big bucks to fix.
They also told me they couldn't just get it closed without taking it all apart for 8 hours labor.
Can you email me the 5 minute fix. Thanks so much

My email is stevenrosenblatt6@gmail.com
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:45 AM
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Thanks for the feedback Howard. I don't see silicone. The previous owner took it to a dealer who got it shut for him and told him not to try opening again, then disconnected the slider switch. I have reconnected that, but Nada. I will check the fuses again. I found one, but will look to see if there is a second one I am missing. There is no response at all from the controls. No motor noise, nothing. I would just be happy to get the ceiling liner panel to move for starters. I was wondering if there was some sort of lock, that prevents the motor from being cranked until the roof liner is open. Once the liner is open I can start looking at how to get to the plastic bits I hope.
Hey Ommadawn,

Did you ever get your liner open? I'm having the same issue where the liner/shade/visor piece will just not open regardless. Its a pain because you can't access anything without the visor being open.
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