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Old 04-11-2017, 03:12 AM
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2005 E63 645CIA - Tried to diagnostic it with i 910 II but...

it doesn't work...

I bought a 645ci (2005)


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and I bought a i910 II to diagnostic my pretty but the device doesn't connect and showed this error message :

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I saw a lot of people use this device on the 645 online so I doubt that the car is not equipped but I was wondering where the problem is coming from ?

Any ideas ?

I did check also the pin on the ODB to be sure that nothing is broken, please see below :

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Finally I though maybe it's because I don't have the pin 15 (but according to my quick research, I don't need it :

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If someone as an idea or lead... I will appreciate

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Did you have the ignition on the 2nd setting before cranking the car? I don't use Carsoft, but I would check to make sure you have the correct cable for your car, & the correct config setup.
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Old 04-11-2017, 11:53 PM
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Did you have the ignition on the 2nd setting before cranking the car? I don't use Carsoft, but I would check to make sure you have the correct cable for your car, & the correct config setup.


Thx for the reply, yes I did. I actually tried the 1st one, the 2nd one and also start the engine (to make sure I cover it)
The cable is attached to the icarsoft so I have no choice.
But can I ask how you connect to yours ? (Is it a 645 - 2005?) bc I need to find a urgent solution (High engine loads may damage catalytic converter, the car is shaking)



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Old 04-12-2017, 03:18 AM
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I finally had the solution (so case someone has the same problem in the future)
Instead of going to icarsoft.com go on icarsoft-europe.eu Because the version of the software are different

So, go http://icarsoft-europe.eu/?page_id=10 And download the Version 6.4 (check the serial number on the back of your i910II (912 or 913 then dl the right one)

Now it works and can start to see what s the real problem : Misfire, cylinder #, etc.

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Old 04-12-2017, 05:38 PM
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Sound like you have a vacuum leak somewhere. A smoke test would be your best option to find the problem. A tiny o-ring can cause that problem, & the Eccentric Shaft seal at the rear of the valve cover. I would also inspect the fitting where the air tube connects to the intake, to make sure it is on correctly.
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:36 PM
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Sound like you have a vacuum leak somewhere. A smoke test would be your best option to find the problem. A tiny o-ring can cause that problem, & the Eccentric Shaft seal at the rear of the valve cover. I would also inspect the fitting where the air tube connects to the intake, to make sure it is on correctly.

Thanks for you reply, VERY useful and a good start to look for

Btw that s what I've got:




Also I ve got a very high air mass flow which come bc of a leak as you mention it








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Old 04-15-2017, 10:43 AM
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Sound like you have a vacuum leak somewhere. A smoke test would be your best option to find the problem. A tiny o-ring can cause that problem, & the Eccentric Shaft seal at the rear of the valve cover. I would also inspect the fitting where the air tube connects to the intake, to make sure it is on correctly.
Hi,
I did check online what is a smoke test but I actually don't know where to start.
do you think I can "plug" a pipe with a cigarette into the pressure regulating valve (I've notice that both sucks air)
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Also, I start to have white smoke from the exhaust

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Old 04-16-2017, 02:07 AM
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Here's a range of "How to's" to make a smoke test machine.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...a+smoke+tester

Have you checked the CCV's under those covers to ensure their not torn?
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Old 04-16-2017, 02:56 AM
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Here's a range of "How to's" to make a smoke test machine.

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...a+smoke+tester

Have you checked the CCV's under those covers to ensure their not torn?
I will go for the cigar test But I was just wondering where to put it to not damage anything but I guess I won't as it's just smoke.

I' about to check the CCV first (btw, is it normal that both sucks air?) then after blow some smoke into the air system and let see what will happen
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Old 04-16-2017, 04:52 AM
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I just checked the CCV and indeed it was torn so I'll order a pair today and still want to do a smoke test to see if there is others leaks
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:36 AM
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FYI : no nore leaks regarding the Smoke test
hopefully after the replacement of the CCV it will be good

Diagnostic:
- 274E Misfire detection, sumchec error
- 2743 Misfire detection, cylinder 5
- 2748 Misfire detection, cylinder 7
- 2749 Misfire detection, cylinder 2
- 2747 Misfire detection, cylinder 3
- 2744 Misfire detection, cylinder 4
- 279B Thermostat stuck
- 282A No CAN message from integrated Automatic Heater-A/C IHKA
- 29A9 Power management
- 2745 Misfire detection, cylinder 8

Do you think the thermostat need to be changed or it's bc of the vacuum leak?
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Old 04-17-2017, 07:24 PM
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FYI : no nore leaks regarding the Smoke test
hopefully after the replacement of the CCV it will be good

Diagnostic:
- 274E Misfire detection, sumchec error
- 2743 Misfire detection, cylinder 5
- 2748 Misfire detection, cylinder 7
- 2749 Misfire detection, cylinder 2
- 2747 Misfire detection, cylinder 3
- 2744 Misfire detection, cylinder 4
- 279B Thermostat stuck
- 282A No CAN message from integrated Automatic Heater-A/C IHKA
- 29A9 Power management
- 2745 Misfire detection, cylinder 8

Do you think the thermostat need to be changed or it's bc of the vacuum leak?
You have got a lot of problems to address. The thermostat is bad, & the CCV has nothing to do with it. You are having Power management problems, have you verified if your battery is above 12 volts with the engine off, & headlights on? It also seems you have some Can Bus problems also. To run the smoke test, pump the smoke into the intake area. This will pressure the entire motor.
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Old 04-19-2017, 12:48 AM
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You have got a lot of problems to address. The thermostat is bad, & the CCV has nothing to do with it. You are having Power management problems, have you verified if your battery is above 12 volts with the engine off, & headlights on? It also seems you have some Can Bus problems also. To run the smoke test, pump the smoke into the intake area. This will pressure the entire motor.

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Old 04-19-2017, 03:39 PM
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You have got a lot of problems to address. The thermostat is bad, & the CCV has nothing to do with it. You are having Power management problems, have you verified if your battery is above 12 volts with the engine off, & headlights on? It also seems you have some Can Bus problems also. To run the smoke test, pump the smoke into the intake area. This will pressure the entire motor.
I changed the ccv and it's better but it is not the main problem indeed.
The power when the engine is off is 11.9 (with the lights on) and when is on it turn around 13.7 (see pictures)

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The smoke test after the ccv changed was good, no air leaks and I felt the pressure.

This is the rest of the scan below (I've got 2 O2 sensors quite low and I hear a tic tac where I listen the engine)

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What do you think about these results ? ( I think I will need Ncexpert...)


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Old 04-19-2017, 06:48 PM
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Your cylinder 5 is way off some reason? I would verify the plug, COP, & injector to make sure that they are all ok. The voltage is a little low, but not real bad. Was the voltage checked after the car sat over night, or straight off of the charger. If you smoke test is good, there should be no oil leaks or vacuum leaks. A pressure test on cylinder 5 might reveal something. Did you get the thermostat changed yet?
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Old 04-22-2017, 05:45 AM
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Your cylinder 5 is way off some reason? I would verify the plug, COP, & injector to make sure that they are all ok. The voltage is a little low, but not real bad. Was the voltage checked after the car sat over night, or straight off of the charger. If you smoke test is good, there should be no oil leaks or vacuum leaks. A pressure test on cylinder 5 might reveal something. Did you get the thermostat changed yet?
The ignition coil was changed but no idea how it was done... I will clean the MAF soon and check the thermost, do you know a way to do that?


If you have time, I upload the video to let you hear the tic tac noise

Quick video to hear the Tic Tac engine :
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Old 05-05-2017, 02:24 AM
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Hello,
I finally had time to clean the mass air sensor and it's better now (use to be 40) :

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Also, now I have got 2 errors 274E and 2743:

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I'll try to see what can I do on it tonight/tomorrow

If someone has any idea/comments I'm happy to learn

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Both of your codes are related to Cyl. #5. I would swap the COP's from one cylinder to another to see if the problem follows the COP. When the spark plug was installed, did it get dropped inside the cylinder? If it was dropped the spark plug might have closed up the gap somehow, I would pull the plug & verify the gap. Did you try looking at the fuel injectors on INPA to make sure they are firing correctly?
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:09 PM
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Both of your codes are related to Cyl. #5. I would swap the COP's from one cylinder to another to see if the problem follows the COP. When the spark plug was installed, did it get dropped inside the cylinder? If it was dropped the spark plug might have closed up the gap somehow, I would pull the plug & verify the gap. Did you try looking at the fuel injectors on INPA to make sure they are firing correctly?

I did swap the COP but I have got an error on the 5th and the 6th so I just swap the coil... but same problem so it's something else (misfire on the 5th one with the 6th coil)

I think It's coming from the fuel injector or the 5th cylinder bc when I was checking them I heard something around the 5th injector which didn't go through/work (then the warning light appear again)

please look at the video below (it happen around the sec. 3)



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Old 05-06-2017, 12:19 PM
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Both of your codes are related to Cyl. #5. I would swap the COP's from one cylinder to another to see if the problem follows the COP. When the spark plug was installed, did it get dropped inside the cylinder? If it was dropped the spark plug might have closed up the gap somehow, I would pull the plug & verify the gap. Did you try looking at the fuel injectors on INPA to make sure they are firing correctly?
ps : I tried to look at the fuel injector on INPA but.... I can't find it on my INPA version (5) Weird isn't it
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I would pull the plug to make sure it isn't crack or has the wrong gap. If that is not a problem, pull the fuel injector rail & remove all of the injectors. Make sure when you pull the fuel rail that some of the o-rings don't fall off. If there is nothing found on the injector system, it would be time to do a compression & leak down test. If you have a IR gun, shoot the exhaust manifold on each cylinder. If #5 has a problem it will not be as hot as the other cylinders.
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I would pull the plug to make sure it isn't crack or has the wrong gap. If that is not a problem, pull the fuel injector rail & remove all of the injectors. Make sure when you pull the fuel rail that some of the o-rings don't fall off. If there is nothing found on the injector system, it would be time to do a compression & leak down test. If you have a IR gun, shoot the exhaust manifold on each cylinder. If #5 has a problem it will not be as hot as the other cylinders.
hi,
I tried to take off the injectors rail but I was stuck bar the big black bar (and didn't find the tool for that )
Today I drive for 20 mn and everything was alright... no error message, no misfire, perfect V8 in sport mode
then I came back, switch it off then on, the error message arrive

I don't know why the car was running well, but before drive I "play with the RPM" a little bit over 1100 then down until 550 (I was looking for the right rpm to stop the idle rough)

I don't know if their is something to do with, but when my engine is warm I found my coolant output temp still high... no?

Engine with a fresh start:
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Also, I read that you can customized the VVT (do you think it will work? bc I can t change it right now)

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Have you tried using INPA to measure battery voltage with the engine off. Your voltage cold seems a little low, even with the alternator charging the system? I still think you could have a battery problem causing low voltage. With 13.8 volts running cold, it makes me think the battery could have a problem. If you have a battery charger with a voltage charge reading, hook it up cold & read the meter load. Turn the key to position 2 without cranking the engine with the lights on. See how the meter reads after you have turned the ignition on. If the meter pegs far to the right, it should confirm a battery with a bad cell.

If you can post a pic of the bar you can't get off, I am not sure what you are talking about?
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Have you tried using INPA to measure battery voltage with the engine off. Your voltage cold seems a little low, even with the alternator charging the system? I still think you could have a battery problem causing low voltage. With 13.8 volts running cold, it makes me think the battery could have a problem. If you have a battery charger with a voltage charge reading, hook it up cold & read the meter load. Turn the key to position 2 without cranking the engine with the lights on. See how the meter reads after you have turned the ignition on. If the meter pegs far to the right, it should confirm a battery with a bad cell.

If you can post a pic of the bar you can't get off, I am not sure what you are talking about?
I measure the voltage with the lights On finally (FYI : The battery is new 3 weeks and I didn't drive that much with the pblm)

o Ignintion off + lights = 12.06v
o Ignition on + lights = 11.78v
o Engine on + lights = 13.85v

That's the battery : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2721016465...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT




I made 2 videos as well :

1-COLD ENGINE
The car didn't start for the day, so cold engine (15.64 C)
Switch on
I erase all errors (247E &2473)
Switch off the car then switch on again
Start the engine
wait and see
The alarm arrive after 1:24sec






2-HOT ENGINE
The car is hot, engine (53.25C)
Switch On
I erase all errors (247E &2473)
Switch off the car then swiff on again
Start the engine
wait and see
the alarm arrive after 18sec



Obviously the error appears faster when the engine is hot.. but what.. Do you really think it can be the battery? did it happen to you?

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