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Old 11-25-2014, 12:42 AM
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Oil leak Valve Cover Gasket estimate

It turns out that my oil leak is a Valve Cover gasket more likely then a Timing Chane Cover gasket after I had it inspected by an Indy shop.

In any case, Ive also been told that this is one of those thing where if you do one you go ahead a couple others at the same time.

Here is an estimate attached for work on my car at a reputable Indy.

And this is from the BMW dealership:
The cost to replace the upper timing cover, valve cover gaskets. Also the spark plug tubes and additional parts used for this repair $ 3,900.00
Parts labor and tax. That is with discounting or labor from 198.00 per hour to 180.00 per hour. Two year parts and labor warranty with unlimited mileage.

What do you think and should I get new plugs while they are at it?
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You can greatly reduce that pricetag at an independent. Four grand sounds like a lot of money to spend on oil leaks!
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It turns out that my oil leak is a Valve Cover gasket more likely then a Timing Chane Cover gasket after I had it inspected by an Indy shop.

In any case, Ive also been told that this is one of those thing where if you do one you go ahead a couple others at the same time.

Here is an estimate attached for work on my car at a reputable Indy.

And this is from the BMW dealership:
The cost to replace the upper timing cover, valve cover gaskets. Also the spark plug tubes and additional parts used for this repair $ 3,900.00
Parts labor and tax. That is with discounting or labor from 198.00 per hour to 180.00 per hour. Two year parts and labor warranty with unlimited mileage.

What do you think and should I get new plugs while they are at it?
The price of $2,475 at the indy seems fair, but why do you need a new valve cover?
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Old 11-25-2014, 10:38 AM
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The price of $2,475 at the indy seems fair, but why do you need a new valve cover?
I didn't catch that, Ill check that out... Thanks...
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Old 11-25-2014, 11:13 AM
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Ah, did not catch the attachment, only saw the $3.9k from dealer.

$2475 is reasonable, minus the $411 for the valve cover that is right in line with what I have been quoted by an indie here in Tampa. Right around $2k for replacing all of those gaskets.

If they will cut you a good deal on the plugs then perhaps it is worth it, the plugs are not terribly difficult to DIY, especially with the base shop you have access to. You would have to judge the time it would take to handle yourself (probably around 4 hours) vs. them doing it. The good news is once you have done it yourself it would take you 1.5 to 2 hours to change the plugs should you keep the car long enough to need a second change.
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Old 11-25-2014, 01:18 PM
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I'm doing the work myself. Valve cover gaskets $33 each. Timing gaskets $8 each. Then there's some o rings for cam sensors and solenods that need to be replaced $2 each, spark plug tubes $13 each and plugs $6.25 each. You should also get new o rings for your vaccum pump. They are notorious for leaking and leak on the timing cover. There are two rings. One between head and pump and the other is the outer cover of the pump.
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I'm going to go with the Indy.

I found out the reason for the new valve cover. There is a TIS on internal engine overpressure that is enhancing oil leaks so the new valve cover has a vent to get rid of it.

I wish I wasn't intimidated on these BMW engines or I might try my hand at this type of maintenance. I can do pretty much anything to a late model American car but our cars are pretty sophisticated.
I'm just now comfortable doing front end work on her like brakes and such but I think I'm going to leave the real dirty stuff for the pro.
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Old 11-25-2014, 05:54 PM
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I'm going to go with the Indy.

I found out the reason for the new valve cover. There is a TIS on internal engine overpressure that is enhancing oil leaks so the new valve cover has a vent to get rid of it.

I wish I wasn't intimidated on these BMW engines or I might try my hand at this type of maintenance. I can do pretty much anything to a late model American car but our cars are pretty sophisticated.
I'm just now comfortable doing front end work on her like brakes and such but I think I'm going to leave the real dirty stuff for the pro.

When my Indy told me that my valve cover gaskets are slowly weeping, they did mention an updated valve cover, so it all makes sense now.

Look at it this way Coug. At one point or another, all N62 owners will have to refresh all gaskets and valve stem seals. Even though it will cost a considerable few thousand dollars, it is nothing in comparison to depreciation on a brand new $100K car. Also, once you have done the gasket replacements, you are good for another +100K miles!
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I'm going to go with the Indy.

I found out the reason for the new valve cover. There is a TIS on internal engine overpressure that is enhancing oil leaks so the new valve cover has a vent to get rid of it.

I wish I wasn't intimidated on these BMW engines or I might try my hand at this type of maintenance. I can do pretty much anything to a late model American car but our cars are pretty sophisticated.
I'm just now comfortable doing front end work on her like brakes and such but I think I'm going to leave the real dirty stuff for the pro.

No difference really. If you got another car to drive around do the work yourself. Valve covers are no harder than repairs on any other car. The money saved is worth it.


Really...it's not hard at all.
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Also, once you have done the gasket replacements, you are good for another +100K miles!
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No difference really. If you got another car to drive around do the work yourself. Valve covers are no harder than repairs on any other car. The money saved is worth it.
Really...it's not hard at all.
I don't doubt you... But don't have the time really, nor a garage to take my time doing it.
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There was a TIS on the valve covers to remove the CCV valve to due moisture freezing.,, in the valve. The new valve cover does not have the CCV valve, it is moved up in the CCV vent tube. Not sure how this will help, but a BMW preventive measure.
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There was a TIS on the valve covers to remove the CCV valve to due moisture freezing.,, in the valve. The new valve cover does not have the CCV valve, it is moved up in the CCV vent tube. Not sure how this will help, but a BMW preventive measure.

Herb, do you know when this new valve cover was produced?
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I think the recall started around 2008-2009. I have it installed on my 750, but not on the 645. I do not how the moisture from the passenger side, can be different from the drive side?
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I was told its not moisture, its internal engine pressure.
One of the signs of it, beside the valve covers weeping oil is also around the oil filler cap too.
In any case I take my car in Monday. Ill be glad to get it over with.
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I was told its not moisture, its internal engine pressure.
One of the signs of it, beside the valve covers weeping oil is also around the oil filler cap too.
In any case I take my car in Monday. Ill be glad to get it over with.

I have noticed the oil filler cap weeping out oil. Makes sense.
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Anyone have details on the TIS? and does it apply to 645? Thanks
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Ill try to get the TIS number next week when I take my car in...
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mine leaks as well i will be doing it in the spring and i was quoted $800.00 for the job from an independent
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mine leaks as well i will be doing it in the spring and i was quoted $800.00 for the job from an independent

For both valve cover and timing cover gaskets?
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For both valve cover and timing cover gaskets?
just for the 2 valve cover gaskets,but after reading here i will get the timing cover done as well
so might be $200.00,this place thats all they do is bimmers shop rate $85.00
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The new Valve Cover for the TIS is $400+ alone.
Peter Pan BMW discounted me $180 from $198 on labor and I imagine the Indy is well over a $100+ also
But I'm getting other stuff done besides the valve cover gaskets, like timing chain cover gaskets, plug tubes and plugs
So all in all not as bad as the dealer which wanted $3900 verses $2500 to do the job
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Here is the SIB that has been discussed.
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Wow that is very expensive labor rates !! I am glad I did all the job myself plus I did the alternator bracket gasket as well it a PITA but it surely well worth it I only spent about no more than $70 on parts including the valve covers !!
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