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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 09-26-2008, 01:37 PM
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How many horses does a 535i REALLY have???

I've been reading some articles about BMW NA's plan for 09 and beyond car lineups in USA. They were mentioning a 740i with same engine as a 535i but the power rated at 326HP VS the 300HP in the 535i. I've read some other articles stating a 535i definitely has more than 320HP. I am interested in any thoughts from you all on this?
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:54 PM
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I've been reading some articles about BMW NA's plan for 09 and beyond car lineups in USA. They were mentioning a 740i with same engine as a 535i but the power rated at 326HP VS the 300HP in the 535i. I've read some other articles stating a 535i definitely has more than 320HP. I am interested in any thoughts from you all on this?
read this from the Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N54

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Most independent testing has settled on horsepower in excess of 330.

And with 17 mpg city/26 mpg highway!

Simply put, the best six cylinder engine on the road that's not in the back of 911.
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Old 09-28-2008, 03:38 PM
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If it is certainly over 300HP, then why BMW underrated it???
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If it is certainly over 300HP, then why BMW underrated it???
To leave room for future improvements - or advertised improvements. Right now all the luxury brands either have or are developing 300 hp six cylinder engines. BMW can up the ante again by saying its engie has 325 hp.
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Old 09-28-2008, 04:37 PM
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To leave room for future improvements - or advertised improvements. Right now all the luxury brands either have or are developing 300 hp six cylinder engines. BMW can up the ante again by saying its engie has 325 hp.
+1 Also, to not step on the M3's 400HP. If people new there was not much difference between a 335 and an M3 that costs $25k more they would never buy the M3.
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+1 Also, to not step on the M3's 400HP. If people new there was not much difference between a 335 and an M3 that costs $25k more they would never buy the M3.
There's a lot more separating an M3 from a 335 than just hp
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Most independent testing has settled on horsepower in excess of 330.

And with 17 mpg city/26 mpg highway!

Simply put, the best six cylinder engine on the road that's not in the back of 911.
With that in mind, not knocking 550 owners, why would anyone want to purchase a 550? Am I missing something?
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With that in mind, not knocking 550 owners, why would anyone want to purchase a 550? Am I missing something?
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If you are so convinced that 535's HP is underated, what makes you think that 550's doesn't have that extra HP?
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there's a lot more separating an m3 from a 335 than just hp
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Does that also apply to the 0-60 tests? I noticed that I can always do better than the numbers published in the official BMW Spec sheets.
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:42 AM
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With that in mind, not knocking 550 owners, why would anyone want to purchase a 550? Am I missing something?
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Power is delivered much smoother and stronger through out the rev range then the 535.
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Does that also apply to the 0-60 tests? I noticed that I can always do better than the numbers published in the official BMW Spec sheets.
0 to 60 numbers from co's like Porsche, VW and BMW can be conservative, and in particular, for manual transmission cars. The manufacturers generally do not include abusing the clutch. The magazines that test cars often rev the engine to the mot effective speed ( e.g. 5500 rpm) and dump the clutch with the gas pedal floored. This can often shave a 1/2 second off the time but you would not want to do this with a car you intend to keep.
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If you are so convinced that 535's HP is underated, what makes you think that 550's doesn't have that extra HP?
Where is that dead horse again?!
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Old 09-29-2008, 01:47 PM
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If you are so convinced that 535's HP is underated, what makes you think that 550's doesn't have that extra HP?
Very often new cars are introduced with horsepower ratings thst are lower than they could be. This allowsa them to up the hp next year simply be adjusting the programing which is very easy and effective with a turbo. It is quite possible that BMW is holding back with 535 so as not to completely ruin their chances to get someone to put up extra cash for V8.

VW has a similar problem with 2.0T vs. the V6. Not a lot of difference in performance. I also believe that in the brochures, they will alway list the more expensive model as being slightly faster ( 0.1 sec) whether or not this is actually true. I believe MB does the same. I beleive the old C230 Kompresser was quicker than the C280 but I don't think you can put that in a brochure when the 280 costs more $$$.

Very often much of the extra hp you get with the larger engine is eaten up by the extra weight.
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There's a lot more separating an M3 from a 335 than just hp

True...but according to most test drives and reviews (i have seen anyway) the 335i appears to have more "usable torque" in daily driving..its nice and low, instead of getting max rpm to get max power and torque...and at the price difference M3 owners will utimately be people that want an M3 and nothing but....I prefer the 335i out of the two but thats just my opinion.....to be honest..i still prefer the older M5 to anything else as far as styling goes....for now my 325i will have to suffice

sorry got a little side tracked there.......
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To leave room for future improvements - or advertised improvements. Right now all the luxury brands either have or are developing 300 hp six cylinder engines. BMW can up the ante again by saying its engie has 325 hp.
This might make sense from a marketing standing point, but may not. What if other manufacturers such as MB, with their new 3.5V6 300HP "conservative" rated engine, all of sudden states that their engine has 320HP? I thought BMW should be smarter than this.

The other thinking is how BMW is gonna tell owners like us in this forum that with that same engine, now it is rated 326HP not 300HP?
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This might make sense from a marketing standing point, but may not. What if other manufacturers such as MB, with their new 3.5V6 300HP "conservative" rated engine, all of sudden states that their engine has 320HP? I thought BMW should be smarter than this.

The other thinking is how BMW is gonna tell owners like us in this forum that with that same engine, now it is rated 326HP not 300HP?
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Folks......we are talking about some information we have seen in WIKIPEDIA! This not a real encyclopedia. Anyone can post or edit information in Wikipedia. The information may not be correct.
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