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Old 10-26-2008, 10:42 AM
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SMG or Stick?

Do you guys perfer SMG or Stick for your M3? Explain why
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Old 10-26-2008, 03:34 PM
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Search, about a million threads on this.

I prefer SMG.
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Old 11-09-2008, 08:28 AM
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Unhappy smg or stick??

smg all the way bud....much quicker gear changes when racing rather then manual shift..no grinding gears...transmission will last longer.....
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Old 11-10-2008, 01:14 PM
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Do you guys perfer SMG or Stick for your M3? Explain why
Go test drive both & give us your feedback. Be sure to ask the salesman plenty of questions & go for extended drives.
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:56 PM
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:33 PM
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OMG stick. For me anyways. With the SMG you have somewhat control of gear changes, but it doesnt involve you asmuch as a clutch. Plus SMG's are known to be not smooth at lower speeds and rpms.


I drove both, hands down stick.
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:43 PM
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:20 PM
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Stick all the way, shifting isnt shifting without a clutch.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:38 AM
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SMG offers performance advantages you can't replicate with a stick. For example, blipping down gears while standing on the brakes. Or short shifting mid corner while under power. Or just letting it shift for you at redline. You also can't overrev the motor during up or downshifts. Personally I like both. I'm happy to have my 6MT in my Z4 M and next year I'm on ther hunt for a mint bone stock low mile M3 with SMG.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:51 AM
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Someone told me the clutch on an SMG needs to be replaced around 60,000 miles. How common is that? (I am looking at 2003s - one with 76,000 and one with 83,000 and niether mentioned clutch problems.)

And what keeps the throwout bearing from wearing out? With a normal manual, sitting with the clutch disengaged cauese them to wear - wouldn't this be true with the SMG? Thanks.

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Old 11-12-2008, 04:44 PM
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Reliabilitywise, the potential problems of SMG are more related to the SMG pump than the clutch. If the pump goes it is about $2k+ to change. Just do a serch here and at m3forum.net and you will find tons of info and opinions.
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Old 11-19-2008, 06:56 AM
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manual is better...it feels like you control the car...its feels better....better mpg...but it all depends on the person
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Old 11-26-2008, 06:49 PM
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manual is better...it feels like you control the car...its feels better....better mpg...but it all depends on the person
Better mpg w/o smg? It's the same transmission no? What's the reason for that claim?
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Old 11-27-2008, 10:04 PM
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I have an SMG with 63k miles on it, no problems whatsoever and I smoked a 6Mt just yesterday...
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Old 11-28-2008, 09:47 AM
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Old 11-30-2008, 10:07 PM
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Old 12-05-2008, 06:55 PM
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I have had the SMG (2 years now) and i have grown to love it. The only issue i have ever had is when the car sits for several days and is left in gear, it gets stuck and i have to rock the car back and forth to get it into neutral...
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:46 PM
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Actually my best friend just got a new (used) E46M3 with SMGIII and it is a blast to drive. I will never get another 5 speed car again after driving SMG. Its an amazing system indeed
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:48 PM
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I want to add the caveat that every driver should learn stick first so you really understand how a car works and then move to SMG. If you start off on SMG i think you would be spoiled
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:55 PM
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If you have to ask, then get the SMG.
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:56 PM
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If you have to ask, then get the SMG.
You are implying that real drivers only choose stick?
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Old 12-07-2008, 04:50 PM
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SMG offers performance advantages you can't replicate with a stick. For example, blipping down gears while standing on the brakes. Or short shifting mid corner while under power. Or just letting it shift for you at redline. You also can't overrev the motor during up or downshifts. Personally I like both. I'm happy to have my 6MT in my Z4 M and next year I'm on ther hunt for a mint bone stock low mile M3 with SMG.
Of course all of this is subjective but I am in agreement. It has been my experience that the SMGII has added to my driving experience with my 04 M3. Since most of my prior high performance machines have had a clutch I have found myself quite surprised with the enjoyment and efficiency that the system provides. No doubt it can be an additional expense when and if that time comes. But if you are trying to save money then high performance machines are not the way to go anyway. Just get what you want and enjoy it.

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ps. Its hard to get a real handle on the performance that you can get with the SMGII during a demo drive. So getting a quick test drive will hardly allow you to compare it to a manual 6 speed.
You might decide that you really prefer the manual 6 speed. I actually think its a good idea to learn to drive with a clutch. But the notion that you need to push a clutch pedal to enjoy a high performance transmission is a misnomer in my book.
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Old 12-07-2008, 05:44 PM
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stick all the way, shifting isnt shifting without a clutch.
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Plus SMG's are known to be not smooth at lower speeds and rpms.
True, it's hard to be as smooth with the SMG as a manual without practice.

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Its hard to get a real handle on the performance that you can get with the SMGII during a demo drive. So getting a quick test drive will hardly allow you to compare it to a manual 6 speed.
I agree. I thought that the SMG was the biggest piece of carp for the first few times I drove it. After about 2 or 3 days of driving it, I realized how good it was.

Having had both, I think I would probably go with the SMG, if only because in traffic I wouldn't have to clutch. Other than that, it's a toss up.
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Old 12-07-2008, 06:56 PM
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You are implying that real drivers only choose stick?
Not at all.

IMHO for those that are really into a stick it is the only choice, if you have to think about it than perhaps you should go with the SMG because technology will aways be more efficient than a human as far as shifting at optimum points and quickly.
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