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Old 06-19-2003, 10:51 AM
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Section 861:the Tax Law They Hope You Never Read

SECTION 861:THE TAX LAW THEY HOPE YOU NEVER READ

Most Americans have never seen the law that requires them to file a return, and most have never researched the IRS code to determine how much, if any, of their income is taxable under the law as it is actually written. But everyone knows there is such a law, and everyone knows that all of their income is taxable.

What if everyone was wrong?
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Old 06-19-2003, 10:53 AM
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Old 06-19-2003, 11:08 AM
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Re: Section 861:the Tax Law They Hope You Never Read

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SECTION 861:THE TAX LAW THEY HOPE YOU NEVER READ

Most Americans have never seen the law that requires them to file a return, and most have never researched the IRS code to determine how much, if any, of their income is taxable under the law as it is actually written. But everyone knows there is such a law, and everyone knows that all of their income is taxable.

What if everyone was wrong?
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No thanks, I enjoy paying taxes.

Especially when I get to see my tax dollars beat this **** out of an evil dictator.

dusty, is there any way I can ear-mark my dollars to stop funding abortions, welfare, and Grey Davis' fight to not be recalled?
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Old 06-19-2003, 08:39 PM
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So I wonder if I choose not to pay my tax next year, and then use this info to combat the IRS, if I would have a case?!?!?!
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Old 06-19-2003, 08:40 PM
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So I wonder if I choose not to pay my tax next year, and then use this info to combat the IRS, if I would have a case?!?!?!
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Old 06-20-2003, 09:36 AM
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No taxes == no roads
No taxes == no public transportation
No taxes == no education

Taxes are absolutely necessary. In fact, I'd pay more of them if I knew that they'd go to fund worthwhile projects like education, research and public transportation.

So, if you like driving your bimmer on roads, pay your taxes.
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Old 06-20-2003, 09:43 AM
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No taxes == no roads
No taxes == no public transportation
No taxes == no education

Taxes are absolutely necessary. In fact, I'd pay more of them if I knew that they'd go to fund worthwhile projects like education, research and public transportation.

So, if you like driving your bimmer on roads, pay your taxes.
Well, some taxes are necessary in the world we live today but.

Roads = let prison workers do them.
Public Transportation = not a function of government.
Education = not a function of federal government, and hardly a state function yet, I understand the need.

Obviously you may disagree depending on perspective and political beliefs.
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Old 06-20-2003, 11:31 AM
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Well, some taxes are necessary in the world we live today but.

Roads = let prison workers do them.
Public Transportation = not a function of government.
Education = not a function of federal government, and hardly a state function yet, I understand the need.

Obviously you may disagree depending on perspective and political beliefs.
Yup, I disagree, and I'll leave it at that. I've learned that getting into discussions like this with people that hold their views as strongly as I do to be pretty frustrating. The last time I did this with my neighbor, I was in a bad mood for two days straight.

But, hey, we live in a country where we can have wildly divergent points of view and be pround of it!
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Old 06-20-2003, 04:21 PM
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Well, some taxes are necessary in the world we live today but.

Roads = let prison workers do them.

Obviously you may disagree depending on perspective and political beliefs.
Regardless of who does the labor, you still have pay for the materials and machinery. Unless you were figuring on the prisoners working to buy the materials and machinery and then building the roads.
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Old 06-20-2003, 04:45 PM
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Regardless of who does the labor, you still have pay for the materials and machinery. Unless you were figuring on the prisoners working to buy the materials and machinery and then building the roads.
Well, not if transportation was turned over to the private sector. The states, unless it is a federal highway, would tax in order to hire contractors. Either way, its expenses would be dramatically reduced due to cheap, healthy, in-shape, well fed labor.
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http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsieg.../taxes/861.htm

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Some people argue that section 861 of the tax code shows that U.S. citizens are taxed only on foreign-source income. This argument is mistaken.

Section 861 of the tax code (plus some of the following sections and the attendant regulations) determines whether income is considered to be from a source within the United States or from a source outside the United States. But the rest of the tax code (especially sections 1, 61, and 63) shows that U.S. citizens are taxed on their income from all sources, whether from within or outside the United States. So anyone can use section 861 to determine whether their income is from foreign or domestic sources, but for most U.S. citizens, the source simply doesn't matter, because U.S. citizens are taxed on their income from all sources.

It's as though section 861 said that some of your income shall be considered red income and some blue income, but then the rest of the code said that you are taxed on all your income regardless of color. You could use section 861 to determine the color of your income, but it wouldn't matter.

So why does section 861 exist, if it doesn't matter? The answer is that section 861 doesn't matter to most U.S. citizens, but it matters a lot to some people. Without going into all the situations where section 861 matters, here are the two most important:

1. Foreigners (unless admitted to the U.S. for permanent residence) are not subject to U.S. income tax on their foreign-source income, but only on their U.S.-source income. This is only natural: the U.S. could hardly expect to tax a billion Chinese people on the income they earn in China! But if a foreigner earns income from a U.S. source (for example, by maintaining a bank account in the U.S., which earns interest), then the U.S. government can tax that income. So section 861 is very important to foreigners, because it tells them what part of their income is subject to U.S. income tax.
It goes on, but you get the idea.
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Old 07-08-2009, 08:02 PM
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Regardless of who does the labor, you still have pay for the materials and machinery. Unless you were figuring on the prisoners working to buy the materials and machinery and then building the roads.
Why not? We have more than enough prisoners readily available...
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Well, not if transportation was turned over to the private sector. The states, unless it is a federal highway, would tax in order to hire contractors. Either way, its expenses would be dramatically reduced due to cheap, healthy, in-shape, well fed labor.
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Old 07-09-2009, 10:44 AM
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You dug up and replied to a 6 yr old thread?
He didn't do it, somebody else did. That user has been banned and the account seems to be deleted.
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