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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 10-09-2015, 02:17 PM
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I have a question about instrument cluster for BMW 5 Series E39 2002 520i


here two picture which model please? which one is default instrument cluster for 5 series e39 2002 ?


1) and tell me model of this



2) and tell me model of this too




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They look the same. I believe you should have the so-called high cluster, which is pictured.
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number one or two ?
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They look the same. I believe you should have the so-called high cluster, which is pictured.
number one or two ?
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The #2 cluster shows mph as well as km/h.
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Old 10-09-2015, 03:28 PM
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The #2 cluster shows mph as well as km/h.
Which one is the default of BMW 5 series e39 2002 520i petrol ? Or how i can to find my default instrument cluster of my car ?

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Old 10-09-2015, 03:58 PM
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The 1st pic you showed is a Euro High Cluster. It only has a kilometers per hour gauge.

The 2nd pic you showed is a US High Cluster. It has the 20 digit alpha/numeric display as well as has a gauge for miles & kilometers.

By you being in the UK...and having a 520 model...more than likely it came with the Euro low/base cluster...but you all also have the benefit of an ala carte option menu...whereas here in the USA...some things were pretty much picked for us. Here, all V8s came with the high cluster...and the I6 models came with the low cluster...until navigation was offered. The onBoard navigation option also stepped up the cluster to the High cluster on I6 models.

The best way to find out which one your 520 came with is to do a VIN decode. If you have a high cluster...you will also have the extended OBC (includes TIMER functions).

Try one of these sites and enter the last 7 digits of your VIN & answer the CAPTCHA puzzle:

USA High Cluster (has miles & kilometers gauge)- Check Control uses 20 digit alpha/numeric display for Priority 1 & 2 Warnings




USA Low Cluster (has miles & kilometers gauge - Check Control uses Graphic Display for Priority Warnings

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Is your car auto tranny? What type of engine M52 or M54. Here is for M52 engine with auto tranny.

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Top one is an M5 cluster I think, with the aluminium trim around the dials.

Bottom one is a standard UK cluster with kmh/mph speedo.

The only way you're going to find out the part number is to do a search on your vin and look up the appropriate one. It may even come down to options fitted on the car.

See my sig for UK high cluster on 535
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Top one is an M5 cluster I think, with the aluminium trim around the dials.

Bottom one is a standard UK cluster with kmh/mph speedo.

The only way you're going to find out the part number is to do a search on your vin and look up the appropriate one. It may even come down to options fitted on the car.

See my sig for UK high cluster on 535
That is not an M5 cluster, M5 clusters have grey dials and lit redlines.
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Old 10-10-2015, 11:43 AM
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The 1st pic you showed is a Euro High Cluster. It only has a kilometers per hour gauge.

The 2nd pic you showed is a US High Cluster. It has the 20 digit alpha/numeric display as well as has a gauge for miles & kilometers.

By you being in the UK...and having a 520 model...more than likely it came with the Euro low/base cluster...but you all also have the benefit of an ala carte option menu...whereas here in the USA...some things were pretty much picked for us. Here, all V8s came with the high cluster...and the I6 models came with the low cluster...until navigation was offered. The onBoard navigation option also stepped up the cluster to the High cluster on I6 models.

The best way to find out which one your 520 came with is to do a VIN decode. If you have a high cluster...you will also have the extended OBC (includes TIMER functions).

Try one of these sites and enter the last 7 digits of your VIN & answer the CAPTCHA puzzle:

USA High Cluster (has miles & kilometers gauge)- Check Control uses 20 digit alpha/numeric display for Priority 1 & 2 Warnings




USA Low Cluster (has miles & kilometers gauge - Check Control uses Graphic Display for Priority Warnings


Thanks for your details, I decoded my VIN Code but from there not have instruction cluster? how to know this ??

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Old 10-10-2015, 11:47 AM
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Is your car auto tranny? What type of engine M52 or M54. Here is for M52 engine with auto tranny.
My car is Germany Car 520i - EUR, And Engine is M54 Development code: E39, Chassis LIM, steering LL, Displacement 2.20, power 125, Drivetrain heck, Manual Transmissions.

it's full details of my car
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Top one is an M5 cluster I think, with the aluminium trim around the dials.

Bottom one is a standard UK cluster with kmh/mph speedo.

The only way you're going to find out the part number is to do a search on your vin and look up the appropriate one. It may even come down to options fitted on the car.

See my sig for UK high cluster on 535
now cluster is KM/H And 240 first the picture which i putting from this thread but i want to know are this instrument cluster are change or not until now i want to check the default fitted.
and please how to find it via VIN code? i check decoded but i don't see any related instrument cluster, please tell me how

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Instead of inkling out bits and pieces of info...can you just post the last 7 digits of your VIN. Perhaps those on the forum that are more familiar with the option codes will be able to quickly interpret what you have...again instead of trying to go at it kind of backwards.

For instance...you're in the UK and the VIN decode list EURO...thus you will automatically have the KM/H cluster...which will only narrow down that it has the optional chrome rings or not.

And if you have the high cluster and/or extended OBC...I believe that is option code S555a (CPU V with remote control)...that option only comes with the high cluster. If you have the option Codes below...they too come with the high cluster only:
  • S601a
  • S602a
  • S609a

If there's no mention of cluster w//chrome rings then that cluster wasn't optioned....and it came with the standard non-ringed cluster.
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Instead of inkling out bits and pieces of info...can you just post the last 7 digits of your VIN. Perhaps those on the forum that are more familiar with the option codes will be able to quickly interpret what you have...again instead of trying to go at it kind of backwards.

For instance...you're in the UK and the VIN decode list EURO...thus you will automatically have the KM/H cluster...which will only narrow down that it has the optional chrome rings or not.

And if you have the high cluster and/or extended OBC...I believe that is option code S555a (CPU V with remote control)...that option only comes with the high cluster. If you have the option Codes below...they too come with the high cluster only:
  • S601a
  • S602a
  • S609a

If there's no mention of cluster w//chrome rings then that cluster wasn't optioned....and it came with the standard non-ringed cluster.
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I see several options that indicates a high KM/H cluster:
  • S548a speedometer w/kilometer reading
  • S609a navigation system professional

And more info/detective work will be needed to determine what some of your options entails since they appear to be something offered to the Euro market that we did't get over here in the States:
  • S425a interior trim
  • S722a edition lifestyle
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I see several options that indicates a high KM/H cluster:
  • S548a speedometer w/kilmeter reading
  • S609a navigation system professional

And more info/detective work will be needed to determine what some of your options entails since they appear to be something offered to the Euro market that we did't get over here in the States:
  • S425a interior trim
  • S722a edition lifestyle
it's mean my default instrument cluster is the first picture ? which i putted from the thread right ? 240 is the default right ?
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it's mean my default instrument cluster is the first picture ? which i putted from the thread right ? 240 is the default right ?
Yes, your default cluster would be like the 1st pic you posted.

Im not sure what you mean by "240"
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Yes, your default cluster would be like the 1st pic you posted.

Im ot sure what you mea by "240"
the number of the km/h

ok no problem thanks for you help,

but please tell me from my instrument cluster beside DSC left and right have a two icon but not working what is this two icon and why not working ?



see this two red circle from left and right of the DSC which i selected by red color circle by number 1 and 2 please tell me this two icon with description thanks
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The icon on the left is for ACC (active cruise control) & the icon on the right is for self leveling suspension. These icons appear on all high clusters in case the option is on the car.





BMW has used several icons over the decades for self leveling...but it usually contains an arrow:

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The icon on the left is for ACC (adaptive cruise control) & the icon on the right is for self leveling suspesion. These icons appear on all high clusters in case the option is on the car.
How it work ? and have any button ?

but from my car this two icon not working and the icon have on the instrument cluster but i don't know why not working ?
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How it work ? and have any button ?

but from my car this two icon not working and the icon have on the instrument cluster but i don't know why not working ?
good thanks for your help,

And your car when you driving on the instrument cluster display Gear transmission ?



my car when i test the instrument cluster via OBD-II this transmission display 1,2,3,4,5 and P,D,R,1,2,3 however my car is manual transmission but when i driving car from there dont display Gear level 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 why ? have any thing for fixing ?

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How it work ? and have any button ?

but from my car this two icon not working and the icon have on the instrument cluster but i don't know why not working ?
They don't work because you don't have the option. You have regular cruise control. When you engage cruise, the green icon should illuminate (see pic above for green CC icon on right side of cluster)...and your gree CC icon probably only as the "dial" and not the car behind the dial when you have ACC. And neither do the other icons illumiate whe CC is activated because you don't have ACC.

Homerraas has a great video up on YOUTUBE if you want to see how ACC works on the e38/e39 generation BMW. He is in an e38 7 series.....but the function of ACC is the same if optioned in the e38 & e39. Just search usinghisam and BMW ACC.
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They don't work because you don't have the option. You have regular cruise control. When you engage cruise, the green icon should illuminate (see pic above for green CC icon on right side of cluster)...and your gree CC icon probably only as the "dial" and not the car behind the dial when you have ACC. And neither do the other icons illumiate whe CC is activated because you don't have ACC.

Homerraas has a great video up on YOUTUBE if you want to see how ACC works on the e38/e39 generation BMW. He is in an e38 7 series.....but the function of ACC is the same if optioned in the e38 & e39. Just search usinghisam and BMW ACC.
good thanks for your help,

And your car when you driving on the instrument cluster display Gear transmission ?



my car when i test the instrument cluster via OBD-II this transmission display 1,2,3,4,5 and P,D,R,1,2,3 however my car is manual transmission but when i driving car from there dont display Gear level 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 why ? have any thing for fixing ?

thanks

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good thanks for your help,

And your car when you driving on the instrument cluster display Gear transmission ?



my car when i test the instrument cluster via OBD-II this transmission display 1,2,3,4,5 and P,D,R,1,2,3 however my car is manual transmission but when i driving car from there dont display Gear level 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 why ? have any thing for fixing ?

thanks
Someone that drives a manual tranny e39 will have to help here (please chime in folks). The only manual tranny BMW Ive ever owned was a 1985 325e. I thought the gear display was for auto trannys...so if it works for manual....please educate us.
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