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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 12-12-2010, 10:58 AM
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hub cap wrench

Where is the hub cap wrench located in the trunk? Is it underneath the spare tire? It's part #36131180626.

I don't have access to the car so I can't look myself...

Also, is part #36131179325 the same tool except it has a handle? Is this a better tool?

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Old 12-12-2010, 12:25 PM
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My old E34 had a hub cap wrench - found it to be rather useless. A small screwdriver will easily pop off the plastic wheel cap. You will also find most stock E39's (if not all) do not have plastic caps in the center of the wheel (rim), so most people don't know what you're talking about.

You can definately live without it.

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Old 12-12-2010, 12:38 PM
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Old 12-12-2010, 12:56 PM
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My old E34 had a hub cap wrench - found it to be rather useless. A small screwdriver will easily pop off the plastic wheel cap. You will also find most stock E39's (if not all) do not have plastic caps in the center of the wheel (rim), so most people don't know what you're talking about.

You can definately live without it.

Jerry
Not sure if we're talking about the same thing. Any e39 with style 29 rims were supposed to come with the hub cap wrench. Below are visuals of the tools:

http://www.ecstuning.com/ES34347/ES65667/

http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/36_1...9_325/ES65654/

I'm trying to verify if I'm missing it. Supposed to be somewhere in the trunk but I don't have access to the car to check. If someone has one and it's stored in the trunk, I just need to know where to look for it.

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This is the way to go!

Thanks! That's what I needed to know.
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Where is the hub cap wrench located in the trunk? Is it underneath the spare tire? It's part #36131180626.

I don't have access to the car so I can't look myself...

Also, is part #36131179325 the same tool except it has a handle? Is this a better tool?

Thanks in advance.
The hub cap wrench is SUPPOSED to be sitting atop the spare tire...but just because that's where it's supposed to be...doesn't mean that's where the previous owner has left it. Some people never put stuff back where it's supposed to be...so it could be just tossed into the spare wheel well or it could be underneath the spare tire. It could even still be in the previous owners garage or toolbox.

The tool for the e39 serves 2 purposes...it not only facilitates removing the hub cap...it also lends support to the trunk's load floor in that it sits atop the bolt that secures the spare in the trunk...see the images below of the hub cap wrench in its storage location atop the spare in my e38 (the gray one)...and the load floor support for an e39 that doesn't have a wheel with a hubcap (the black one):





Wrench #10 - (BMW part # 36 13 1 180 626) is actually an e39 part #


Wrench #7 - (BMW part # 36 13 1 179 325) is not an e39 part # but will fit certain E39 hub caps...it is the hub cap wrench for the e24/e28/e30/e32/e34/e53


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this thing stinks
Hahaha! I think many people feel that way about the hub cap design you picture below because some don't realize that the hub cap is NOT threaded...but just pops off with a 1/4 (counter clockwise) turn...so when they go to remove it...many PRESS inward on the hub cap which prevents it from popping off the wheel...their body weight (as they press inward) in an attempt to torque the hub cap off only makes the hub cap spin around & around.

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Old 12-12-2010, 07:41 PM
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This is what I have in my trunk now... So I'm definitely missing the correct tool that should have come with this car.




Wrench #10 - (BMW part # 36 13 1 180 626) is actually an e39 part #


Wrench #7 - (BMW part # 36 13 1 179 325) is not an e39 part # but will fit certain E39 hub caps...it is the hub cap wrench for the e24/e28/e30/e32/e34/e53
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Hahaha! I think many people feel that way about the hub cap design you picture below because some don't realize that the hub cap is NOT threaded...but just pops off with a 1/4 (counter clockwise) turn...so when they go to remove it...many PRESS inward on the hub cap which prevents it from popping off the wheel...their body weight (as they press inward) in an attempt to torque the hub cap off only makes the hub cap spin around & around.



So which tool should I order? I like the Wrench #7 since it doesn't require a separate tool to turn it but who am I to second guess the wisdom of BMW engineers
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Does it make any difference? They both cost the same.
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Dunno what others think, but, I've used both and the handled one works tons better. The wrench one, besides needing the wrench, is actually too shallow in depth for my tastes, and so it slips off the hub cap.

Of course, as QSilver7 said, proper technique should prevent that, but, with the handled hub cap wrench, you don't need no stinkin' "proper technique".

For the same price, I'd go with the handled one - but that's just me.
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So which tool should I order? I like the Wrench #7 since it doesn't require a separate tool to turn it but who am I to second guess the wisdom of BMW engineers .

Does it make any difference? They both cost the same.
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... I've used both and the handled one works tons better. The wrench one, besides needing the wrench, is actually too shallow in depth for my tastes... with the handled hub cap wrench, you don't need no stinkin' "proper technique".

For the same price, I'd go with the handled one - but that's just me.
Since they cost the same, you have a testimonial from someone who's used both, we all can see the flaw in the new design vs the simplicity & better design of the older tool, and you already have the piece atop your spare that supports the trunk's load floor...I'd say the winner is the #7 tool.

BTW...it really is interesting when looking at the design of the one piece wrench's handle (the BMW wrench & the BBS wrench that Bluebee pictured)...they both appear to prevent any inward pressure on the hub cap....if you did...the wrench would sort of come off the hub cap or it would be difficult to give it the 1/4 counter clockwise turn.

The BMW engineers probably went with the newer or 2-piece set-up so that the wrench can play double duty as the support for the trunk's load floor. But as mentioned...for first time users trying to remove the hub cap while trying to keep the lug bolt tool (or a 17mm socket & ratchet wrench) focused on the small 17mm tip of the wrench...many press inward (inadvertently) causing hub cap removal failure (spin instead of pop off).
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Old 12-13-2010, 05:40 AM
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design of the one piece wrench's handle (the BMW wrench & the BBS wrench that Bluebee pictured)...they both appear to prevent any inward pressure on the hub cap....
Interesting you noticed that, and that the better hub cap wrench is my BBS tool.

They both work, but from a "feeling" standpoint, the one-piece BBS wrench just feels better. You slip it on the hub cap, you twist just a bit, off comes the hubcap, still safely ensconced in the wrench in your hands. What 'feels' good is it's all so 'solid' feeling. It seems, in hindsight, that all the torque is in the right direction (twisting) and none is spent pushing on the hubcap itself. Also, nothing "falls" to the concrete.

In contrast, reverse all those 'feelings' when using the multi-piece hubcap wrench. First off, you need a socket, and a handle, so that's three pieces minimum (I add an extension which makes for four). You still twist, and it comes off, however the twist 'feels' sort of off kilter (especially with the extension bar in place), like it's expending only some of your energy in twisting and the rest in holding the hub cap wrench in place so that it doesn't fall off or something. You kind'a need both hands once you twist it off to retrieve all the parts before anything falls to the concrete.

It's no big deal, but, from a 'feelings' standpoint, you can bet that my toolkit has the BBS hubcap wrench, thereby, by omission, relegating the one-piece BMW hubcap wrench (wheel cover wrench?, center cap socket?) to the spare-tools box.

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BTW, see also:
- Where is the hub cap wrench stored on a 2000 528i
- Plastic cap that goes on the end of the threaded rod that holds down the spare tire?

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...First off, you need a socket, and a handle, so that's three pieces minimum (I add an extension which makes for four)...
Bluebee (and to others)...just one last comment about the BMW oe hubcap tool...you can also use the S-shaped lug bolt crank (#5 in the diagram) along with the hub cap wrench to remove the hub caps. The lug bolts have a 17mm head (btw...so does the oil pan drain bolt)...so the S-shaped crank tool can be used if you don't have a 17mm socket and rachet wrench to remove the hub cap (or the oil pan drain bolt if you have no other tools).

Hmmm, which makes me wonder why the oil filter reservoir requires a 36mm socket?

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...Hmmm, which makes me wonder why the oil filter reservoir requires a 36mm socket?
I think Mann-Hummel makes the OEM filter and designs the oil filtration system for many Euro cars, from Benz to BMW to VW.

You can see VW uses 36-mm cap too:
http://www.golfmkv.net/blog/archives/8#

Maybe this is coincidence but 36-mm is also the size of many axle nuts. So I guess Mann-Hummel designed the cap with this in mind because virtually all repair shops have the 36-mm Socket.
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A somewhat related question was posted today ...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Size of center caps on stock style 5's
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I drive a 2000 528i m-sport which came stock with style 5 bbs wheels, I'm trying to find the right size center caps so I can replace the regular bmw ones with red bbs ones.


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Thank you, QSilver7. I was wondering where part 51471960706 / 51471977632 goes.

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I ordered the part but it's not meant to go there on my car. The floor inserts sit too high. I guess it's meant to punch through the bottom insert.

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