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Old 02-01-2009, 06:43 AM
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I wish. If it were, I'd have something worth north of $100,000 in the garage. Maybe $15,000 these days if I was lucky.
You do realize I have dibs if you ever decide to sell it. Seriously.

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And finally, for you doubting Thomases out there, I reversed the techniques today.

Want to bet what the result was?

Ambient temperature 78F, car was put on jackstands and level. Oil was drained via the sump, and left to drip for over 1 hour with the dipstick out and the cap and oil filter out.

Guess what?

After the oil had drained, and there was no more dripping, I inserted the mityvac into the dipstick tube as usual.

And... (drum roll please...)



































Well, you guessed it, I proceeded to suck out approximately 10 ounces of oil out!!

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Old 04-11-2009, 01:53 PM
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Verrryyy interesting! Thanks for sharing.
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Good work wingspan. I swear by mine as well. I know this is common sense and everything, but when I changed my wife's oil her engine was still a little warm. I inserted the tube, then tried to pull on it a little . . . it wouldn't move! Yeah, you guessed it. Mr Lunkhead here.
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What I do, for peace of mind, is to pour in about half or more quart of clean oil after sucking out old oil.

Wingspan,
I thank you for sharing your work proving both ways.
5 months for oil change inteval, that's too short!
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I have the 7201 you linked to, as well as the optional brake bleeder kit. The bleeder kit is nice if you are doing a brake job by yourself.

Not really. I read somewhere that it is hard on the brake master cylinder's seal when repeatedly pumped to bleed air.
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Old 04-12-2009, 08:24 PM
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I tried my first vacuum oil change last month. Worked exceptionally well.

Gravity drain might be slightly faster, but it's certainly not easier or safer. I prefer to avoid going under the car whenever I can.
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Never doubted that an extractor worked well, but now I think this is pushing me over the top to buy one. I think I can get one locally for about $120 Cdn. Is that a decent price?

One other question. How do you dispose of the oil once it's in the extractor? How easy/hard is it to transport the extractor to a used oil collection facility? I was thinking that it might be easiest to drive to the used oil collection facility and do the oil change in the parking lot and empty the oil into the collection facility from the Mityvac directly.

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Old 04-13-2009, 10:38 AM
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Never doubted that an extractor worked well, but now I think this is pushing me over the top to buy one. I think I can get one locally for about $120 Cdn. Is that a decent price?

One other question. How do you dispose of the oil once it's in the extractor? How easy/hard is it to transport the extractor to a used oil collection facility? I was thinking that it might be easiest to drive to the used oil collection facility and do the oil change in the parking lot and empty the oil into the collection facility from the Mityvac directly.
the version i have has a reverse valve so after finishing with the sucking I just reverse the valve and blow the oil into the empty bottles of oil. not sure but canada but in CA any place that sells oil is required to take old oil for recycling.
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Never doubted that an extractor worked well, but now I think this is pushing me over the top to buy one. I think I can get one locally for about $120 Cdn. Is that a decent price?

One other question. How do you dispose of the oil once it's in the extractor? How easy/hard is it to transport the extractor to a used oil collection facility? I was thinking that it might be easiest to drive to the used oil collection facility and do the oil change in the parking lot and empty the oil into the collection facility from the Mityvac directly.
I pour from the Mityvac directly into recycled empty cooking-oil containers, then I periodically take all the oil to the hazardous waste disposal facility in Seminole County
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So the CCV ties into the oil dipstick tube. You are placing a significant amount of vacuum on that pain in the arse PCV. Would this cause damage? I dunno, but your not going to get me to suction out oil through the dipstick yet. I've got car ramps that allow the 530 to drive right up them without hitting the front plastics. I do not find it difficult to remove the drain plug and screw it back in.

Now I suppose if you bought an special plastic hose then when placed into the dipstick tube it hits the bottom of the oil pan, there would be no issue on creating a vacuum on the CCV. But it is less than 1 minute to drive up the ramps including getting them out and the bonus is that I can check out other items underneath the vehicle.

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Ok, finally, some proof that oil change via suction is superior to the "drain" method.

Been wanting to do this for a while: Car is a 2003 E46 330i 6MT with approximately 59K miles. I drove the car into the garage after a long run, and let it cool for 45 minutes. I jacked it up on the jacking points, ensuring the car was level.

I proceeded to evacuate the oil via my usual Mitivac method out of the dipstick. It took about the usual 30 minutes or so, with occasional pumping, to get the oil up and out of the crankcase via the dipstick. I then wriggled under the car and removed the 17mm bolt at the bottom of the crankcase.

You know how much oil came out?

None. Not a drip. Nada. Zilch.

I mean, nothing; the end of the plug was barely wet.

For me, this seals the debate about suck vs. drain; if the Mityvac had left any oil in the crankcase, it would have drained out into the catch tank I had setup.

Case closed.

Or at least a data point of one. Mityvac FTW.
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If you're looking for a cheap and easy ramping solution, get a couple of 2x6s and cut one piece about 24" long and then another piece about 20" long. Stack them lined up evenly at one end, staggered on the other and then get about 4 long wood screws and screw them together. The staggered end is easy to drive up onto, especially for low clearance cars. I do stick my floor jack under one of the side jack points as an extra saftey. Even on my 330, it makes just enough clearance to get to my catch pan under there and get to the bolt, or any front end inspection/repair that doesn't require a lot of clearance. It also helps raise the front of the car enough to get my floor jack under the car. I had a couple of 2x6s laying around after building a playset in the back yard for the kids so I made a pair and I've been using them for years now with all my cars.

But.... I have just switched to the "pump out" oil change method. Nice to not have to get under the car.
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So the CCV ties into the oil dipstick tube. You are placing a significant amount of vacuum on that pain in the arse PCV. Would this cause damage? I dunno, but your not going to get me to suction out oil through the dipstick yet. I've got car ramps that allow the 530 to drive right up them without hitting the front plastics. I do not find it difficult to remove the drain plug and screw it back in.

Now I suppose if you bought an special plastic hose then when placed into the dipstick tube it hits the bottom of the oil pan, there would be no issue on creating a vacuum on the CCV. But it is less than 1 minute to drive up the ramps including getting them out and the bonus is that I can check out other items underneath the vehicle.

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topsider doesn't create vacuum in the dipstick tube. the tip of the hose that was supplied with the sucker hits the bottom of the oil pan. thus the CCV is safe.
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hmmm....interesting...
looks like i will have to buy one of these!
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topsider doesn't create vacuum in the dipstick tube. the tip of the hose that was supplied with the sucker hits the bottom of the oil pan. thus the CCV is safe.
+1... the oil is not a pressurized system with the car off.
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With my MityVac 7201, when I insert the suction tube in the dipstick I insert it until I his bottom, then withdraw it a bit so it's not in contact, once I've drained the majority and I start hearing the bubbles, I lower the tube the rest of the way. Seemed like the safest bet after I read that little blurb on 'Fanatics about the guy that lost the end of the tube and had to drop his oil pan.
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I'm with you. I still feel like 1. I would get the tube stuck in the oil pump or something and not be able to get it out and 2. I use the time it is draining to change the filter and o-ring. It is a nicely timed sequence......jack, drain, filter (while draining), replace plug, drop, fill, check and done!
im with this group, plus i only put on about 8k miles per year (so far). that means i get under my car once a year (which is a perfect time to inspect other areas) and get a look at things. i however have been under my car a lot this year catching up on maintenance since i bought it, trans, diff, coolant, CDV, etc. etc. so i expect this to apply NEXT year
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With my MityVac 7201, when I insert the suction tube in the dipstick I insert it until I his bottom, then withdraw it a bit so it's not in contact, once I've drained the majority and I start hearing the bubbles, I lower the tube the rest of the way. Seemed like the safest bet after I read that little blurb on 'Fanatics about the guy that lost the end of the tube and had to drop his oil pan.
that's exactly what I do.
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Going to buy a new MityVac from Amazon today. $85 new (includes shipping). I was looking at the 7201, but every model seems to be liked by everyone. Has anyone ever had a bad review of this product? I haven't found one yet.
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Ok, finally, some proof that oil change via suction is superior to the "drain" method.

Been wanting to do this for a while: Car is a 2003 E46 330i 6MT with approximately 59K miles. I drove the car into the garage after a long run, and let it cool for 45 minutes. I jacked it up on the jacking points, ensuring the car was level.

I proceeded to evacuate the oil via my usual Mitivac method out of the dipstick. It took about the usual 30 minutes or so, with occasional pumping, to get the oil up and out of the crankcase via the dipstick. I then wriggled under the car and removed the 17mm bolt at the bottom of the crankcase.

You know how much oil came out?

None. Not a drip. Nada. Zilch.

I mean, nothing; the end of the plug was barely wet.

For me, this seals the debate about suck vs. drain; if the Mityvac had left any oil in the crankcase, it would have drained out into the catch tank I had setup.

Case closed.

Or at least a data point of one. Mityvac FTW.
WOW. It's just WOW. So if you would drain by the gravity method for 30 min or so, then replaced a plug back wait another 10-15 min, how many drops of oil you would get?
Most people are keeping their cars for 5-6 year in most, and motor/engines is not going bad in now days, there are a very reliable part of the car. So what is a reason so many talks about oil and oil service. My opinion that is any oil change will good enough.
Also, a lot people will run to the store to buy Mityvac tool, I would suggest, please don't waist your money on it, just denote it to people who needs this money now days, when is coming up a holiday and a huge jobless market. Just think about how are many kids wouldn't get their Christmas presents, because one or two parent have lost their jobs. You have an opportunity to bring Christmas to some homes.
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The best thing I like about the oil extractors is the ability to park on the parking lot of a auto-store, which allows you to dump your oil right out of the container into their container.
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Going to buy a new MityVac from Amazon today. $85 new (includes shipping). I was looking at the 7201, but every model seems to be liked by everyone. Has anyone ever had a bad review of this product? I haven't found one yet.
I just got my mityvac 7400 today . Couldn't find any bad reviews . It cost $57.95 , shipping included . I'm looking forward to my first ever oil change that doesn't involve rolling around on a cold , wet driveway with dirty oil dripping in my face .

And to Phlfy ... don't worry. I wouldn't have bought such a luxury if it kept me from helping my favorite charity . Even as one who is non-religious , I still think it's important to help those less fortunate to a happy holiday season .

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Here a vid from tonight after changing my oil with mityvac.



The car was on jack stands, and when I lowered it, it only dripped a few drops of oil (ignorable amount).
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how come it took you 30 mins? it took mines about 2 mins. maybe because i was using the bigger tube
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I'm with you. I still feel like 1. I would get the tube stuck in the oil pump or something and not be able to get it out and 2. I use the time it is draining to change the filter and o-ring. It is a nicely timed sequence......jack, drain, filter (while draining), replace plug, drop, fill, check and done!
This is the tried and true sequence. No time wasted
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