Does the 5HP19 "no reverse" problem affect e39s?

There is a heap of info on the net regarding the no reverse problem on zf 5hp19 autos but it all seems to focus on 323s from 01. Does this problem exist on the 6 cyl e39s to the same extent? Specifically has anyone had a no reverse failure on a low k e39? By low ks I am thinking below 120k miles or 200k kilometres.
Cheers.

I have not seen it yet on this site or "the other forum"
You could do a search but, I dont know if you'll find anything

I have had a good search. No big reference to it. I guess that is a good thing.

Been here awhile. Never seen or heard of it for the E39. Although we have plenty of other issues to share

I have had this problem wit my '00 540i this happened when I had 105k and I had no reverse but my car would go into drive normal and drive forward normal but reverse was shot outcome = Used tranny $2,300 wit 3yrs Warranty (that's wit install)

Yes--there are a number of 5 series cars with this same problem--if you gooogle search BMW no reverse
and check out there--you will find lists of customers that have had this problem--and it's growing.
I'm thinking that the problem was fixed in the 2002 model years but I might be wrong.

Originally Posted by poolman

Yes--there are a number of 5 series cars with this same problem--if you gooogle search BMW no reverse
and check out there--you will find lists of customers that have had this problem--and it's growing.
I'm thinking that the problem was fixed in the 2002 model years but I might be wrong.

Originally Posted by poolman

Yes--there are a number of 5 series cars with this same problem--if you gooogle search BMW no reverse
and check out there--you will find lists of customers that have had this problem--and it's growing.
I'm thinking that the problem was fixed in the 2002 model years but I might be wrong.

Originally Posted by andyffer

Double that:

It's a slip ring that had a poor design (weak) not made to move the close to 4000 lbs in reverse. Whoever has the no reverse issue (if he plans on keeping the vehicle) is better off to redo his tranny with the new designed slip ring. If you just change the tranny with another one (old one from the scrap yard) you will end up with the same problem. And it is the ZF-5HP-19 tranny only employed in a number of i6 applications.

Wow this the first I've heard of this problem. Thank goodness I have a 2002.

Originally Posted by Mack

Wow this the first I've heard of this problem. Thank goodness I have a 2002.

Yeah its crazy!

Too bad everyone before 2002 might run into this
sounds like a pricey fix a new 2002 ZF trans!

Originally Posted by Mack

Wow this the first I've heard of this problem. Thank goodness I have a 2002.

I am not sure if 2002 or later is spared. Here is one of the websites and the shop(s) that perform the repair.
Quote:"We have repaired several ZF 5HP19 transmissions with the broken reverse drum problem. The transmissions DO NOT have to be replaced. It's just that BMW dealers are not allowed to do extensive internal transmission repairs because it's simpler, faster and more profitable to replace the entire unit with a remanufactured transmission."

Can anyone confirm what if any E39 models have the 5HP19 trani? Again, I have been on these boards about a year now and while I've heard a major multitude of issues I've never heard of this specifically with the E39 and my of us on here are well over 100k mileage.

Originally Posted by Mack

Can anyone confirm what if any E39 models have the 5HP19 trani? Again, I have been on these boards about a year now and while I've heard a major multitude of issues I've never heard of this specifically with the E39 and my of us on here are well over 100k mileage.

Ive seen a couple threads in this forum, this is the one were I discovered the issue for the first time...

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ght=no+reverse

Put no reverse in the search tool and there are a few more so it defenetly effects the 525i and 530i. Havent seen any cases with the V8's

Oh F me. We are F'd! 525's and 530's are in this boat. V8's and 528's seem to be good to go. Got this info at Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_5HP19_transmission F me! That 2000 540 I've been eyeballing for $9k is getting even more appealing now.


The 5HP19 is a 5-speed automatic transmission for passenger cars from ZF Friedrichshafen AG. Introduced in 1996, it is still in production and has been used in a variety of cars from Audi, BMW, Porsche, and Volkswagen.

Applications:

* 5HP19 (longitudinal engine rear wheel drive)
o 2001–2003 BMW E46 330Ci M54/B30
o 2001–2003 BMW E46 330i M54/B30
o 2000–2003 BMW E46 320i M52tu/B20
o 2000– BMW E46 323Ci
o 2000– BMW E46 323i
o 2001–2003 BMW E46 325Ci M54/B25
o 2001–2003 BMW E46 325i M54/B25
o 2001–2003 BMW E39 525i M52tu/B25
o 2001–2002 BMW E39 530i M52tu/B30
o 2002–2003 BMW Z4 2.5i
o 2002–2003 BMW Z4 3.0i
* 5HP19FL (longitudinal engine transaxle)
o 1996–2001 Audi A4 2.8 V6
o 1996–2003 Porsche Boxster 986 2.5L 6 Cyl
o 1997–2003 Audi A4 1.8T
o 1997–1999 Audi A8 3.7 V8
o 1998–2001 Audi A6 2.8 V6
o 1998–2003 VW Passat GLS 1.8T
o 1998–2003 VW Passat GLS V6 2.8L
o 1998–2003 VW Passat GLX V6 2.8L
o 1999–2003 Porsche Boxster S 986 3.2L
o 2003– VW Passat GL 1.8T
* 5HP19FLA (longitudinal engine transaxle)
o 1996–2001 Audi A4 2.8Q V6
o 1997–2003 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro
o 1998–2001 Audi A6 2.8 V6 Quattro
o 2000–2003 Audi A6 2.7 Turbo Quattro
o 2000–2003 VW Passat GLS V6 4Motion V6 2.8L
o 2000–2003 VW Passat GLX V6 4Motion V6 2.8L
o 2001–2003 Audi Allroad V6 2.7L Turbo
o 2002–2003 Audi A4 3.0 V6 Quattro
o 2002–2003 Audi A6 3.0 V6 Quattro
o 2002–2003 VW Passat W8 4Motion 4.0L
* 5HP19HL (longitudinal engine rear engine transaxle)
o 1998–2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 3.4L
o 2002–2003 Porsche 911 Targa 996 3.4L
* 5HP19HLA (longitudinal engine rear engine transaxle)
o 1999–2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 3.4L
o 1999–2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 996 3.4L

I posted a linky. If you check it out, there's a wealth of info in there. It happened in the "other" forum too - the no reverse problem.
It is for these 2 ZF trannys (i6 & v8): ZF-5HP19 & ZF-5HP24. Read below:

California
Dose BMW Services - 619.322.3065
I am a regional distributor for ZF industries. I have all the necessary inventory to repair all of the complaints on the 5hp24 and the 5hp19 at a much more better value than what I've seen on your website. I can also supply you information on what is causing the failures. You can reach me by email or call my cell phone 619-322-3065. All calls concerning questions about ZF transmissions or BMWs in general are welcome. You can reference my credentials on the ZF website. I've done over 200 repairs on the 5hp19 reverse problem alone. I was informed of your website by a customer that just had their 5hp19 reverse repaired at our shop. My website is dosebmw.com. Unfortunately, we are currently updating the website so it won't be available to view for a couple of weeks. Please feel free to contact me or have any of your complainants contact me at any time.
Thank You,
Steve Dose - President Dose BMW service, Inc.

P.S.: The www.dosebmw.com site actually works now

the car above (socaman) had 144k on it, so quite a few. Other than this one there us very few documented incidents of this with the 5 series. If you look you will find stories of the 540 autos failing too. The noreverse.org site littered with failing 3 series but no fives. Other cars have the same box but don't seem to be affected. It just ****s me as I woyld have bought an old m3 for a daily if I wanted to be dropping out boxes etc

Yeah did a search in this forum and there are only a few that have posted on the problem. Jeesh. I guess I'll just keep my fingers crossed. I wonder if doing trani oil changes helps prevent the issue?

Just returned from the no reverse website--I went through all the info on BMW owners that were complaining about this defect. From what I gathered--the 99 thru 2001 models were the main model years that were having problems. Now there were later model cars with tranny problems--but a few of those were manual
trannies and others were problems that were not --no reverse issue's. I hope that is the case that later models 2002 and up are OK. I first became aware of this problem back about 3 years ago--only once in awhile do I see it come up here -or on any of the other forums I visit. When it does I try to point those having the problem to the facts of the problem. Dose trannies in Cal has been one of the first companies to
find the falt and to help design a fix---hope we are spared this problem freinds--but I guess it could happen to any of us at any moment with out warning.

Well I hope we are spared too, and I hope the ATF change will help positive the tranny.
I know I changed my ATF, and before changing I had a jolt when shifting from R to D, or sometimes when shifting in R from P. The dealer told me that everything is fine and not to worry. Well, I worried, and therefore I changed my ATF (it was at 60k miles) twice within a week or 2 - cannot remember now. After the ATF change, the jolt was gone as well as the loss of power when climbing long ramps (it was a slippage the dealer again "could not reproduce").
I also wonder if the 3 series folks changed their ATF?

Isn't is dangerous to change your ATF?
I heard on the E39's you could completely kill the trans

There are plenty of threads on that issue. Fluid change won't stop a weak part from failing as in this instance

Originally Posted by andyffer

I have not seen it yet on this site or "the other forum"
You could do a search but, I dont know if you'll find anything

Andy, please read this
I hope this will erase all your doubts. While at it, just browse through that site. It's amazing what pops out.
Also, try this thread if you're bored. Again, pretty amazing.

Originally Posted by poolman

Just returned from the no reverse website--I went through all the info on BMW owner that were complaining about this defect. From what I gathered--the 99 thru 2001 models were the main model years that were having problems.

You might go on the Consumer Affairs website and search for BMW no reverse...

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...bmw_trans.html

... and the 2001 530ia has the ZF5HP22. You'd think they'd have learned a few things from their crappy 3HP22!

Source?

Everything I have seen says it has the 19. Maybe I'll get under and have a look when I am back in town.

Originally Posted by FurryOne

You might go on the Consumer Affairs website and search for BMW no reverse...

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/autom...bmw_trans.html

... and the 2001 530ia has the ZF5HP22. You'd think they'd have learned a few things from their crappy 3HP22!

Not sure where you have the info, but here is the spec sheet for the trannys from BMW (Bentley Publishers).
Go to page 8 & 10 and you will see:
530 only a very few have the GM5 tranny (end 2000 start 2001). The rest of the 530 all have the ZF-5HP-19 tranny.

I hope this will clear what tranny/BMW model has.