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E46 (1999 - 2006)
The fourth generation 3 Series (E46 chassis) was introduced in 1999 and set the standard for engineering and performance during it's years of production including being named to Car & Driver's 10 best list every one of those years! ! -- View the E46 Wiki

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Old 08-21-2014, 10:09 PM
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So i noticed some oil leak on my VCG.. So i decided to replace the Vanos Seals as well.. What is the most reliable brand..

Also i noticed that my control arm ball joints are wearing out since there is some play.. How good is the URO and Vaico brands?.. Im going to do the Meyle HD control arms and arm bushings.. ECS has a Level 2 refresh kit
http://www.ecstuning.com/BMW-E46-325...Arm/ES2219662/
But i dnt know how reliable is the URO and Vaico brand..

Also since im under there i am going to do the tranny service and rear diff oil change as well..

Fastbob if u say wiki or recent posts ima shoot u lol... Just wanted opinions before i get started on placing orders..
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Old 08-21-2014, 10:15 PM
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Havent done any of those so nothing to add but watching with interest

So heres a bump to the top.
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Most reliable brand for the VCG or the Seals? I used Victor Reinz but according to others; I should have slapped myself for using that brand... Try El ring. Seals - Beisan Systems.

Not sure on suspension. I still have my Meyle Control Arms and Meyle HD Bushings in my closet...
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Old 08-22-2014, 06:12 AM
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Most reliable brand for the VCG or the Seals? I used Victor Reinz but according to others; I should have slapped myself for using that brand... Try El ring. Seals - Beisan Systems.

Not sure on suspension. I still have my Meyle Control Arms and Meyle HD Bushings in my closet...

How long have you had your control arms. Any issues with them?? Yeah i know about the Victor Reinz..


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Havent done any of those so nothing to add but watching with interest



So heres a bump to the top.

I suggest you tackle that.
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Old 08-22-2014, 09:24 AM
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How long have you had your control arms. Any issues with them??
They're still in my closet. Can't really give you a review on them. People do seem to praise Meyle and Lemforder, however.

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Looks like I'm going to need control arms, too. At least the left side, but why not both?

I'm thinking Meyle from OEM.
http://www.oembimmerparts.com/BMW_Fr...26758623my.htm

FCP has a low-cost 8 piece set, but you can get the Lemforder or Meyle versions for more money.
http://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw-...e-e46-e46cakit

Would also like to do the VANOS, but I know that project is over my head. Was planning on getting the Dr.Vanos unit and having the shop replace it. A little more pricey, but I see it as a pull out - replace job, so it will save a little bit on time. As with any job, you can do it yourself, but I see having someone else clean, inspect, and install the proper seals beforehand as a better way to go.
http://drvanos.com/index.php?option=...&id=2&Itemid=3
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Looks like I'm going to need control arms, too. At least the left side, but why not both?



I'm thinking Meyle from OEM.

http://www.oembimmerparts.com/BMW_Fr...26758623my.htm



FCP has a low-cost 8 piece set, but you can get the Lemforder or Meyle versions for more money.

http://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw-...e-e46-e46cakit



Would also like to do the VANOS, but I know that project is over my head. Was planning on getting the Dr.Vanos unit and having the shop replace it. A little more pricey, but I see it as a pull out - replace job, so it will save a little bit on time. As with any job, you can do it yourself, but I see having someone else clean, inspect, and install the proper seals beforehand as a better way to go.

http://drvanos.com/index.php?option=...&id=2&Itemid=3

Ive done all my repairs.. I had all my documentation but my fiance decided to throw it all away..


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They're still in my closet. Can't really give you a review on them. People do seem to praise Meyle and Lemforder, however.

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Lol ask your closet how good are the control arms... Yeah im just going to stick with Meyle.. Im still searching on a good price bundle to do the inner tie rods and all as well..
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Old 08-22-2014, 10:26 AM
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Ive done all my repairs.. I had all my documentation but my fiance decided to throw it all away..





Lol ask your closet how good are the control arms... Yeah im just going to stick with Meyle.. Im still searching on a good price bundle to do the inner tie rods and all as well..
Smolck used to have a VANOS unit he would loan/give/core out to people to have a ready unit to install for a quick turn around. Then he got screwed on it and I don't know if there is another unit floating around out there. I like doing my own wrenching, but I know my limitations. Also, the trained eye will catch things I won't.

OEM has a 8 piece Meyle set:
http://www.oembimmerparts.com/BMW_Fr...tmeykitpro.htm
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But i dnt know how reliable is the URO and Vaico brand..
Both are garbage. I would only suggest using them if you want to have to replace all parts again very quickly.

I have Meyle HD control arms paired with Powerflex Poly bushings. It is a firm setup but great for spirited driving... I suspect the Meyle bushings would be a little more forgiving.

When I first got my car I never thought I would have the know-how to DIY the Vanos seals. Well earlier this year I got them done in half the recommended time, and my car runs so much better now. I recommend buying them from Beisan Systems... you might save $5 somewhere else, but they were the ones to actually develop the first rings and write up the process, so I think they deserve credit where it is due.

Lastly- stay away from the Victor-Reinz VCG, unless you want to have to to that job again soon as well.
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I put on Meyle HD control arms in February 2013 and love them.....no issues in the 20K miles I have driven on them and they feel as solid as they did on day one.
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I was going to change the control arms this summer but its looking like next year so it will be a tad under 400,000 when I get them in at this rate

Where I messed up is I should of changed them when I did the struts
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Smolck used to have a VANOS unit he would loan/give/core out to people to have a ready unit to install for a quick turn around. Then he got screwed on it and I don't know if there is another unit floating around out there. I like doing my own wrenching, but I know my limitations. Also, the trained eye will catch things I won't.



OEM has a 8 piece Meyle set:

http://www.oembimmerparts.com/BMW_Fr...tmeykitpro.htm

Well thats messed up...

Im likely to get this..


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I put on Meyle HD control arms in February 2013 and love them.....no issues in the 20K miles I have driven on them and they feel as solid as they did on day one.

Thnks.. Appreciate the input..

Also i was thinking of getting the Poly Bushings but it says you got to lube them once in a while..
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Old 08-22-2014, 03:53 PM
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I'm sure you know what you are doing, but here are a couple of DIY's:

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=421918

http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=140066
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What is the most reliable brand..
We have discussed that for the E39 (which shares engines with the E46):
- Which is the most reliable VCG brand to buy (1)

See also:
- How to replace the E39 I6 VCG (1) & which VCG brand to buy (1) & what VCG lubricants to use (1) & what can go wrong when replacing the VCG valve cover gasket which may cause subsequent plastic engine cover leaks (1)
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Should I just get Genuine BMW VCG?? Its only like $40.00
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Emphatically yes for the BMW gasket.

And URO is cheap chinese crap!!
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Ordered the OEMbimmerpart's Meyle control arms this morning. Shipping out at 3 today. Should have them Wednesday-ish.
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Did both arms in about 4 hours. I could only get open-ends on the nuts, plus failing daylight stretched it out. Stock nuts were 18mm and 21mm with the Meyles being 19mm and 22mm. Didn't replace the plastic shroud due to time and I wanted to clean it.

Quick trip around the block went well; didn't dip as hard coming out of the driveway. Seemed to turn a bit tighter, but I drive like an old lady as it is.

On a side note, the arms themselves are useless now, right. No way to rebuild them?
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Some super glue and duck tape and good as new
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Some super glue and duck tape and good as new
That might work in East San Jose.....

I just have this bad habit of holding on to old parts with the idea that, though crappy, they might work for someone in a pinch or they could rebuild them. I guess the bushings may hold some value if someone wanted to clean them up and rebuild them, but shipping would negate any savings.
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That might work in East San Jose.....



I just have this bad habit of holding on to old parts with the idea that, though crappy, they might work for someone in a pinch or they could rebuild them. I guess the bushings may hold some value if someone wanted to clean them up and rebuild them, but shipping would negate any savings.

Aaahhh we got a funny a$$ here lol:


True i dnt think they are rebuildable and if they were it will prob be best to buy new ones.. Could work for temporary ones... Im going to order the 8 piece set from realoem this weekend and i cant wait to get my VCG...

Its starting to show now... Nooo.. Like "Malibu said" its sweating power..
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Did both arms in about 4 hours. I could only get open-ends on the nuts, plus failing daylight stretched it out. Stock nuts were 18mm and 21mm with the Meyles being 19mm and 22mm. Didn't replace the plastic shroud due to time and I wanted to clean it.

Quick trip around the block went well; didn't dip as hard coming out of the driveway. Seemed to turn a bit tighter, but I drive like an old lady as it is.

On a side note, the arms themselves are useless now, right. No way to rebuild them?
What brand are the used control arms? Meyle allows you to take out the ball joints and press new ones in there.

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Aaahhh we got a funny a$$ here lol:


True i dnt think they are rebuildable and if they were it will prob be best to buy new ones.. Could work for temporary ones... Im going to order the 8 piece set from realoem this weekend and i cant wait to get my VCG...

Its starting to show now... Nooo.. Like "Malibu said" its sweating power..
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