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Old 03-02-2009, 09:52 AM
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PCV Valve Issue - Fidelity Warranty Services

Hi, I recently took my BMW X3 2004 to the dealer because I had my Coolant light coming ON and OFF and I also noticed a little smoke and burn odor coming from the engine. They replaced the Radiator; however they also found out that they need to replace the PCV Valve. They said the car was leaking oil from the valve, etc. My car has 55, 000 miles now. A couple of months ago I extended the warranty until 2011 or 100K. The dealer did it through Fidelity Warranty Services since I was not the original owner of the vehicle and they told me they needed to use a 3rd party company.
The fun part is that the dealer is telling me now that Fidelity is not covering for the replacement and fixes. I told the dealer not to do anything. I spoke with the Business manager at the dealer and she told me she would call them and see if she can do anything. She couldn't do anything.

My question is this: Have anyone of you have faced something similar? The dealer said that to fix my car it will cost about $2800. [That amount I am paying for the whole warranty. they are crazy.]
What I am planning to do is since I already have the diagnostic and know what is wrong I will take the car to a mechanic close to my house that specialized on foreign cars and see how they charged me.

Thanks in advance for any inputs,

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Old 03-02-2009, 11:34 AM
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What I am planning to do is since I already have the diagnostic and know what is wrong I will take the car to a mechanic close to my house that specialized on foreign cars and see how they charged me.
I would say that is a good plan.

Although BMW's version of a PCV (CVV/oil separator) is different from any other, it is fairly simple and standalone - so probably good for a non-BMW specialist to do.
Only about $300 for the parts, but as much as 5 hours labour - so that is where you will save the $$$$.

I think it is time-consuming because the intake manifold has to come off, and there are fiddly connections to be done from below as well.
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:43 PM
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With the warranty service I would read the fine print, or better yet see what a lawyer will charge to read the fine print.

Next, did the dealer recommend them?

You see where I am going with this?

Either they fix it (unless there is a disclaimer) or they refund the price of the warranty service contract and then shop for one that will work for you in the future.

I would also tell the dealer to use another service since this one is giving them a bad name.
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:08 AM
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This has come up a month or two back with another forum member: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=339736
To cut down on lawyers fees,

Fidelity Warranty Services specifically list the Crankcase Vent Valve/Oil Separator as being part of the Emission Control System which they do not cover.

The BMW warranty on the emission system is complicated, and different parts are warranted for varying periods (from 2 to 10 years, I think).

Some negotiation with your dealer is definitely the route to go to reduce the cost of the repair.
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:25 AM
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This is precisely why I do not buy aftermarket warranties on anything. Most of the time they only cover things that very rarely go wrong. Defects they cover will usually show up before the MFG warranty runs out and if it hasn't broken by then it's probably not going to.

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Old 03-03-2009, 01:01 PM
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I don't understand why you were refused the BMW warranty extension - bought the extended warranty directly from BMW and we bought the car used about two years ago - 2004/X3/2.5. I bought the extended warranty the day before the original warranty was to expire. The warranty is a full extension of the original warranty and covers everything. The cost was about $1,400.00 and the dealer treats it just like it was under the original warranty - when I bring the car in they look-up everything that needs doing and it gets done - no questions asked - and they wash the car.
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Old 03-04-2009, 07:47 AM
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I have an 04 with 47K miles on it. Had the exact same thing go wrong a month ago.

Luckily, somebody posted information on "goodwill" warranty repairs in this thread:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=343228

I took it to the dealer and they replaced the oil seperator, engine grommets, and belt tensioner for 31 dollars. I am surprised that your dealer didn't offer this repair at "goodwill". Print out the service bulletin contained in this thread and ask your dealer to perform the work as "goodwill" as authorized by BMW North America.

They will get reimbursed for the work and you won't have to pay.
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Old 03-06-2009, 06:58 AM
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I don't understand why you were refused the BMW warranty extension -.
I don't know. They did extend the Maintenance but not the regular Warranty.
Thanks for the reply.

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Old 03-06-2009, 07:12 AM
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I have an 04 with 47K miles on it. Had the exact same thing go wrong a month ago.

Luckily, somebody posted information on "goodwill" warranty repairs in this thread:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=343228.
I tried that but the guy told that they needed to submit a request and that they usually do it in major cases, like transmissions, etc., and also in the case the warranty is expired.

Thanks anyways for the reply, that is good information to know.
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Old 03-06-2009, 07:16 AM
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I would say that is a good plan.

Although BMW's version of a PCV (CVV/oil separator) is different from any other, it is fairly simple and standalone - so probably good for a non-BMW specialist to do.
Only about $300 for the parts, but as much as 5 hours labour - so that is where you will save the $$$$.

I think it is time-consuming because the intake manifold has to come off, and there are fiddly connections to be done from below as well.
I took the car to another shop which is well know in my area. I showed them the diagnostic results and they will do all the work for about $650.00. This is a lot better than $2800. In the worse case scenario he told me that if he needs to replace the lines, which is usually the case it would be closed to $900.

-Thanks for the reply,
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:26 AM
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See the last page of this:

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Old 03-06-2009, 02:24 PM
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Looks like a great article.

Those guys are close to my house.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:34 AM
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PCV issue

My X3 just started the problem with the PCV valve, I bought the valve and hoses and am debating on getting my buddy that is a mechanic to do it. i will try asking the dealer about doing it for less. I just changed the plugs and cleaned inside of coil where it touches plugs.

I was also told that both banks are running lean and that the plugs and coils in cylinders 2 and 4 were bad. Well I put new coils in them and it ran the same, so i put old coils back in and also ran same. I took new coils back and got my money back. It makes you wonder how much work is done that does not need to be done. i think the lean condition is being caused by the PCV valve and the fact that it blew white smoke out a couple of times and has started with a rough idle and them levels out with no loss of power after. Any thoughts
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:23 PM
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My X3 just started the problem with the PCV valve, I bought the valve and hoses and am debating on getting my buddy that is a mechanic to do it. i will try asking the dealer about doing it for less. I just changed the plugs and cleaned inside of coil where it touches plugs.

I was also told that both banks are running lean and that the plugs and coils in cylinders 2 and 4 were bad. Well I put new coils in them and it ran the same, so i put old coils back in and also ran same. I took new coils back and got my money back. It makes you wonder how much work is done that does not need to be done. i think the lean condition is being caused by the PCV valve and the fact that it blew white smoke out a couple of times and has started with a rough idle and them levels out with no loss of power after. Any thoughts
I just did the oil separator (CVV) job this past sunday on my e46. Not hard but VERY time consuming. I didn't take the intake mani out but a lot of parts are in the way and you have to remove them (engine covers, cabin filter and housing,airbox,ICV, DISA, Throttle body, gas tank breather valve, oil dipstic tube, and all the connectors) The separator is really in the deeps of he**! Took me about 6 hours.
Do a search on "oil separator" or "CVV on the e46 forums you will find lots of info and the excellent DIY that I followed.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:07 PM
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Thanks for the tip. So you did not replace the PCV or is that the CCV. I just think it's too much for me and have a buddy thats a mechanic. can't take a chance on the down time. Thanks. One other thing the first guy on this thread mentions his radiator light comming on and blowing some white smoke out. Well I dont know why they would be connected but listen to this. My low radiator fluid light had been on for a week, so i topped it off and took a trip to Jacksonville from Melbourne FL and needed to get there quick and get back quick. I did a 100 mph most of the way there and back in the heat of summer about three months ago. When I got back that night, I started it up the next morning and it blew white smoke out for approx. 60 seconds and ran rough then cleared up and leveled out on the idol. The next time I started it did same thing. Ever since It has started up rough and idle out with no loss of power but some times it idles rough at lights and such. I just did a spark plug change and it runs a little better but still gives rough idol on start. Is there any delete kit or way around this CV valve so it doesn't happen again. BMW should throw out a recall or should it happen three times per person before they consider. I bought a BMW for it's supposed reliabilty and workmanship. Somebody mentioned an oil seperator, is this an addition that can be added.
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:20 PM
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So you did not replace the PCV or is that the CCV.
CCV (Crankcase Ventilation System) AKA Oill separator, it's a complicated PCV. It takes gases and oil from the intake and the VANOS and put it back to the oil pan via a return hose that connects to the dipstick tube. If you click on the link above you can see pictures, the actual valve is about 7 inches tall.

This system usually fails in cold climates and/or when it's driven for mainly short trips. Condensation forms inside the hoses and valve, not allowing to return the oil down to the crankcase. I don't really thik this is your problem.

Did the x3 overheat? How low was in coolant when you topped it off? White somke and hesitation also are signs of head gasket failure. Is your CEL on?
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:39 PM
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Unhappy My X3 is doing the same thing.

White smoke on start up and a little bit of a rough idle every once and a while. I changed the coil packs and spark plugs and got an oil change. Is it the head gasket or ccv valve? The error codes were p0171 and p0174, bank 1 and 2 lean. Help please!!!
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I am aware this is an old post, but hale, did you have the CCV replaced and did it fix your lean codes as well as the Puff of white smoke at startup? Have same codes...Thanks!
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First off, I would be leery of anyone telling you your PCV valve is bad, you don't have one. BMW uses as pointed out a CCV System which is the result of German over engineering everything and this is a prime example. Anyway-

Seeing that you have an 04 model I would go ahead and replace the entire system for 2 reasons. One, the tubing becomes brittle and breaks over time. At this age they have to be bad or close to it. The parts have also been upgraded with insulated lines. Secondly, the hose that goes into the dipstick tube can clog at the point where the two connect causing other issues. At a bare bones minimum I would request they clean this area out.

You might want them to look at replacing the oil housing gasket while they are in there because it might be easier to replace while they got a bunch of this crap out of the way and this is another known issue on your vintage model. Of course it would be really easy to replace the intake boot that is also probably torn. It is only a $35 part (not from the dealer however) that they can replace in 15 minutes as well while they have access to that part of your engine.
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Old 04-24-2013, 10:51 AM
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replace ccv valve

I replaced my ccv valve myself and it took care of the lean codes and the smoke problem. I found the part on the net for about $26 (make sure you find one with the protective heat foam around it), but I also replaced all the hoses that were attached because they broke when I was removing them. The hoses cost about $100 total. You can find the instructional video on youtube. It took about 8 hours but I saved about $1500 doing it myself. So it was worth it. Good luck, hope I helped. Write back if you have any other questions. P.S. - I did it last year and have not had any problems since then.
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