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E36 (1991 - 1999)
The E36 chassis 3-Series BMW was a huge hit among driving enthusiasts from the first moment the car hit the pavement. The E36 won numerous awards over the years it was produced and is still a favorite of many BMW enthusiasts to this day! -- View the E36 Wiki

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DJ Auto Headlights Offered by DDM Tuning

Should I have ordered these instead of the Depos?

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DJ Auto Headlights offer a high quality Taiwan made headlight to our product lineup at a discount to the DEPO headlights. There are some advantages to the DJ Auto headlights. The glass is very high quality and the case offers outstanding strength.

The design of this headlight differs from the DEPOs which are a "Z" style headlight. Z Type means that the DEPO is a copy of the ZKW design. On the other hand, the DJ Auto is an H Type. H Type headlights are copies of the Hella design.

These headlights come standard at this price with a pair of Plug and Play adaptors to connect your stock USA wiring too. All headlights, including DJ Auto, offered by DDM Tuning come STANDARD with HID included and high performance halogen bulbs in the high beams at no extra charge.

We think you will find these headlights to be an outstanding value. Cheaper than DEPO with superior glass and strong plastic frames. Also, a very strong quality of these lights is that we stock replacement lenses for these headlgihts. DEPO does not supply replacement lenses, forcing you to buy a new light or shop for a used lens if you break one. We are sorry but DJ Auto lenses do not fit the DEPO headlights correctly. Oddly enough, they do fit ZKW headlights. See our headlight accessory area for replacement lenses.
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I don't recall hearing much about DJ Autos. Seems like the few things I have heard have been neutral to poor, but that's a small sample space. Depo's aren't excellent in any stretch of the word, but they'll do just fine for the price. I wouldn't have any regrets over them.
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone here knows what the DDE Thin Line angel eyes look like? Actual photos would be nice.
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i dont know i actually fancy the projector with the integrated halogen angel eyes,

funny mona i bought my car like right by where u live did i tell u that before?
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Better quality glass (I didn't think there was such a thing as poor quality glass until I had some apexcones) and stronger plastic.

All well and good but what about the quality of the reflector?

There has to be some cheap-out somewhere.

They don't mention the 'crispness' of the light (like they do comparing Depo's to Apexcones).

It's a great price for a kid on a budget, I figured $75 less than Depo's with the a.e.'s I got,
which is almost 25%, but for me a headlight is about , well, the light....mostly, if it fails there then what's the point?
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DJ Auto has a much higher quality lens than any of the replica lights including DEPO. that is the only benefit for the DJ Auto. The DEPO is better quality in every single other aspect - wiring, adjustment, projector, fit, finish, etc.

ThinLines are great for cheap, but they are cheap - not inexpensive:


The highest quality you can get is you are getting angel eyes are these:







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DJ Auto has a much higher quality lens than any of the replica lights including DEPO. that is the only benefit for the DJ Auto. The DEPO is better quality in every single other aspect - wiring, adjustment, projector, fit, finish, etc.
Well, there you have it. DJ has better glass, DEPO has better everything else.


That settles it - go with the DDMTuning.com DEPO lights.
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More photos of the best angel eyes/headlight combo for the E36:




Go here to get them:
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"ThinLines are great for cheap, but they are cheap - not inexpensive:"


But I like Thinlines.....you are referring to the a.e's on my sig pic?

Brighter is not necessarily better in my book.
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DEPO DOT/US Ellipsoids - OEM REPLICA

2 Headlights STANDARD (aka 1 PAIR) - Driver's and Passenger's Light

THIS IS A GENERATION IV DEPO. IT HAS:

Thicker/Clearer Glass

Thicker/Better Plastics

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German Projectors



This is NOT like DEPO found anywhere else. They are made exclusively for Umnitza.



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PnP

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Standard Halogen DOT Bulbs

Angel Eyes - Predator ThinLine or Chromium

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The price?





Supposedly they have 'special' Depos made just for them. Sure it could be true, I really don't know. I however got Depos, 2x 55W HIDs, fogs, lamin-x for both for 1/2 of what Umnitza.com says Depo, 55W HID, Lamin-x will cost.
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But I like Thinlines.....you are referring to the a.e's on my sig pic?
Brighter is not necessarily better in my book.
No, Orion V2 isn't just brighter, it's just better in every way. I'll have a video tomorrow that will surprise many folks.

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So these are the so called thinlines?
The top picture you quoted is, the bottom is the Orion v2

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Supposedly they have 'special' Depos made just for them. Sure it could be true, I really don't know. I however got Depos, 2x 55W HIDs, fogs, lamin-x for both for 1/2 of what Umnitza.com says Depo, 55W HID, Lamin-x will cost.
Don't you have a lawsuit from BMW to defend against with your friend?
Or maybe whore out some HIDs on other forums?
Or maybe fight with another vendor about audio products?

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Back when we had bought a lot of them, we had made a lot of changes to the product. This was well documented at the time the product was created. If those changes were fake, then you'll have to get an explanation why suddenly the DEPOs from another company are called "gen N" or whatever they came up with.

Also, at the time we made significant changes, listed above.

Unrelated to DEPO is the quality of our installation, components, QC, and post sale service on the product (which doesn't really need a lot given the quality of components).
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Or maybe whore out some HIDs on other forums?
Or maybe fight with another vendor about audio products?
Tsk tsk, you're sounding like your puppet Habbie at BavToys.

That really is a pretty pathetic remark, Umnitza. All he said was that it's possible but unlikely you have "special DEPOs" and that he got his cheaper elsewhere. This board is for sharing information to help others, right? Then open sharing of information should be fine and not warrant a personal attack. Or is this your personal playground to push your products? If your products and service was really so much better, a discussion of vendors would simply stick to products, service, and prices. Right? Instead he makes a remark about price, and you counter with a personal attack. Pathetic.

Your post is a personal attack that violates the TOU of Bimmerfest, and I think that's deplorable for a vendor.

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Back when we had bought a lot of them, we had made a lot of changes to the product. This was well documented at the time the product was created. If those changes were fake, then you'll have to get an explanation why suddenly the DEPOs from another company are called "gen N" or whatever they came up with.
Also, at the time we made significant changes, listed above.
They're called Gen4 over at DDM, which sounds particularly similar to what you're selling.

Just out of curiosity, if you worked with DEPO to provide feed back and make changes to a product - as many vendors do in all areas of retail - but they apply those changes that, yes, you recommended, to their entire product line, wouldn't you knowingly be falsely advertising to say they're exclusive to your company? I mean, think about it, unless you signed a contract with them to keep providing the old ones to other vendors and just the new ones to you, then you're knowingly falsely advertising. That contract would be stupid, though, for DEPO to enter in to. You're a small time operation. E36 headlights are a niche market product. The more units you sell, the easier it is to recoup manufacturing costs. So why would DEPO shoot themselves in the foot by providing an inferior product to other companies and having to maintain two different toolings for 2 different products that are close but have some "special changes".

I think logic dictates that all the DEPO Gen-anything lights are exactly the same across the board.

If I am wrong, I know you'll be happy to tell us what the differences are so we should buy from you, right?
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Wow.......I can't catch my breath, that's too hilarious.

You're joking, right?! I don't think disassembling and reassembling a light 2, 3, or 4 or however many times it was is such great quality of installation or post sale service.

Maybe we just have different definitions.
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That was brilliant!

If i were the kind of person to purchase a product based on how a representative conducted himself on the forums, I would go with DDM.

Oh, wait...
I am.

DDM has lots of people raving about the quality and price on this forum. I have seen numerous attack posts by umnitza on not only this forum, but others as well. Quit playing fox news. Slinging crap doesn't sell products with an educated crowd. Word of mouth, integrity and price do. and from what I see and hear, umnitza is lacking in both.

Lets see the spec sheet detailing exactly how yours are better. What type of glass? thickness? plastics? thickness? adhesives? Wiring? gauge? I highly doubt that info will ever see the light of day, but whatever.

It's a freakin headlight for a niche market. From a buyers perspective your stuff shouldn't break, it should be pretty, and your customers should have no complaints. After that, it is all about price. End of story.
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What 'friend'? Leif? A friend from Georgia that now works there as the 'general manager'?

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Under most circumstances I don't do any 'fighting'.



I don't know why this was your response to what was said. I said you COULD have a special version, I don't know. So I admitted, even though I am 'biased' that you very well could have a special version of the DEPO. If so then can you please elaborate on the actual differences. To this date I have yet to see an actual A to B comparison of your light compared to the older or more common Depo. Every post says "We changed and updated" or "Depo did X,Y and Z for us to make the light better". So what are the changes, if it really is different and better then I won't put supposedly in my post any more. I will list out a reply to people asking questions on what the difference is.


Also as a totally unrelated note. I used to live in Chicago, I did not know Leif, I didn't know ANY of the vendors personally. I ordered from your company for fogs, lamin-x and bulbs. That botched order lead me to look elsewhere for lighting first. Not being 'biased' by a personal friendship.

With all of that said I have been happy with my orders from DDM. I can talk via cell phone to multiple people there. It works out better for me and I can catch up with an old friend when I place an order. So I guess with all things considered... I am biased.
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It's a freakin headlight for a niche market. From a buyers perspective your stuff shouldn't break, it should be pretty, and your customers should have no complaints. After that, it is all about price. End of story.
It's not about price if your product fails repeatedly, no matter how good a "lifetime" warranty is. While many products are very similar, it does come down to assembly, testing, and "nuances".

Price of our product is comparable.
$425 vs $350 shipped.
For that you get better assembly, better angel eyes (if you like that sort of thing) and HIDs that are largely error free on many cars.

You get your product within 2-3 days and we can and will price match shortly for a "comparable" product if you do "60 LED" or a very "cheap" HID kit.
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