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Old 03-28-2009, 05:27 AM
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A friend of mine was told stay away from the N54 motor

He called me yesterday and said the service manager told him if it was him he would only purchase a 328 because of all the problems and possible future problems with the 335 twin turbo motor. I read that the N54 engine has been winning awards. Confused on why a service manager would even tell a potential owner something like this. With the current economy I certainly wouldn't be trying to talk someone out of a more expensive car. Thoughts?

By the way my friend purchased a brand new 335 coupe so obviously he didn't listen anyway.
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Old 03-28-2009, 05:46 AM
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I would get one until the end of warranty... no longer. Just the HPFP is a nightmare, extended warranty or not. I would get a 328i to pass 200000 miles.
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Old 03-28-2009, 05:48 AM
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I would rather have a problematic 335 than a 328, but then again the service manager probably can only afford a 328!
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Old 03-28-2009, 05:50 AM
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I would get one until the end of warranty... no longer. Just the HPFP is a nightmare, extended warranty or not. I would get a 328i to pass 200000 miles.
That's basically the same advise they told him. And they told him to plan on having the car in for the HPFP several times. I just don't understand why they can't get that problem fixed.
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Old 03-28-2009, 05:53 AM
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I would rather have a problematic 335 than a 328, but then again the service manager probably can only afford a 328!
Me as well. I drove them both and don't get me wrong I would not be to upset owning a 328 but wow what a difference when I drove the 335 MT. That thing was a blast and I envy all of you who own one.
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Old 03-28-2009, 06:35 AM
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I was never warmed to that turbo engine. When you press on the gas pedal... it has a very "synthetic" feel, and is not very satisfying to drive. I guess when I drive, I'll look at the whole driving experience rather than just the forward thrust.
I have no intension to start an arguement...its just my thought.
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Old 03-28-2009, 07:19 AM
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Old 03-28-2009, 07:24 AM
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N54 engine was voted international engine of the year the last 2 years. The only bad press has been the hpfp; Bmw just increased the warranty on the pump to 10 years. I have a 2008 335i, 8000 miles, no issues. I love this engine; the torque is unbelievable. Hit the gas and you are pushed back in the seat. The 328 doesn't do this. So it depends why you are buying the car. I was buying for the thrill of acceleration. The 328 is nice, but didn't make my heart race like the 335i. My 2 cents.
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Old 03-28-2009, 07:28 AM
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N54 engine was voted international engine of the year the last 2 years. The only bad press has been the hpfp; Bmw just increased the warranty on the pump to 10 years. I have a 2008 335i, 8000 miles, no issues. I love this engine; the torque is unbelievable. Hit the gas and you are pushed back in the seat. The 328 doesn't do this. So it depends why you are buying the car. I was buying for the thrill of acceleration. The 328 is nice, but didn't make my heart race like the 335i. My 2 cents.
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Old 03-28-2009, 08:01 AM
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N54 engine was voted international engine of the year the last 2 years. The only bad press has been the hpfp; Bmw just increased the warranty on the pump to 10 years. I have a 2008 335i, 8000 miles, no issues. I love this engine; the torque is unbelievable. Hit the gas and you are pushed back in the seat. The 328 doesn't do this. So it depends why you are buying the car. I was buying for the thrill of acceleration. The 328 is nice, but didn't make my heart race like the 335i. My 2 cents.
21K not a blip, no HPFP issues yet, and I have the original pump design(Jan 07 build). The car feels like a V8 with 6 cyl gas mileage, and the balanced weight distribution of a 328, but with better brakes. The 328i is also a new motor, the first Mg/Al block and no cast iron cyl liner. Mg/Al is weaker metallurgically in all wear aspects than Al (but it is lighter). I am not sure that the new N52 is a 200K motor like the previous gen E46 I6, which was all Aluminum. I suspect the N54 will need multiple fuel pump replacements and they arent cheap, but the block is designed to be much stronger than the N52 block(N54 is an Al block with cast iron liners). For N54 longevity, the oil cooler(or better yet the dinan cooler) is probably important. Im not worried about it being turbocharged, saabs have lasted 200K+ miles routinely for more than decade. I would say that following a 15K oil change interval is not sensible, IMO, with ANY turbocharged car. Thats all marketing and politics, IMO. I have a friend with a 325 that followed the recommendations and his car eats oil compared with mine, not good. And dont believe the "oil sensor", that measures "quality", thats alot of crap too. I have the oil cooler and I change my oil at no more than 7K intervals.

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Old 03-28-2009, 08:03 AM
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Old 03-28-2009, 08:15 AM
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17K miles, 18 months. No HPFP problems, only had a hairline crack in a sparkplug.

The car is great. Power all the way through the rev band, instant accelleration at any speed, easy cruising. 24-25 mpg around my suburban area, and 28-29 pure highway.

With the 10 yr/120k mile warrantee, I have absolutely no worries.

IMO, the 328 can only be really enjoyed with the 6M, and no xi. It is a different car that way, but it is still enjoyable. The 328xi AT loaner I got felt like I was pressing only halfway down on the go pedal. Yeah, it got up to speed, but no, it did not have that same thrill.
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Forgive my naivete', what is the N54 engine?
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Old 03-28-2009, 08:17 AM
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I would rather have a problematic 335 than a 328, but then again the service manager probably can only afford a 328!
Nice remark. And you wonder why so many people hate BMW owners?
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Old 03-28-2009, 08:29 AM
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Forgive my naivete', what is the N54 engine?
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Twin-turbo straight six engine, 300 HP, 300 TQ, it is available in the 135i and 335i, among others.
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Old 03-28-2009, 09:52 AM
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The hidden gem in all this was the 330 on the 2006 model. Had more than enough power for most people and no threat of the dreaded fuel pump issue.

I was considering a 335 but now that the FP issue it's happening to the 2009 models, don't think I would ever buy a turbo now.
I'm going to wait for the 2010's to see if the 328i gets a small bump in hp.
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Old 03-28-2009, 10:24 AM
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No Fuel Pump problems here either.

If a part(HPFP), that the manufacturer is telling you they'll replace it for free for the next 10 years if it goes bad , is what is stopping someone from getting a 335, then I don't think they were ever serious to buy 335 in the first place
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Old 03-28-2009, 10:43 AM
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No Fuel Pump problems here either.

If a part(HPFP), that the manufacturer is telling you they'll replace it for free for the next 10 years if it goes bad , is what is stopping someone from getting a 335, then I don't think they were ever serious to buy 335 in the first place
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:21 PM
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I would rather have a problematic 335 than a 328, but then again the service manager probably can only afford a 328!
How do you know what the service manager is able to afford? This is just a stupid response. What if I were to conclude that you are a shallow, immature jerk for coming to a silly conclusion about what people can affod? I'm just asking, not saying that you are.
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:25 PM
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The hidden gem in all this was the 330 on the 2006 model. Had more than enough power for most people and no threat of the dreaded fuel pump issue.

I was considering a 335 but now that the FP issue it's happening to the 2009 models, don't think I would ever buy a turbo now.
I'm going to wait for the 2010's to see if the 328i gets a small bump in hp.

Ditto on the '06 330i.
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:29 PM
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To each his own. I got the 335 just because of the turbo. Later on whe I get bored of 300 hp, I can spend a few hundred and get a "new" car with 400 hp. I have seen friends spend thousands on cams, exhaust, chips only to get a few hp at high rpm. I love my turbos. Until my HPFP breaks I will continue to enjoy every green light drag.
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:39 PM
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Yeah I will admit that my 328i coupe is slower than the 335i guys. Not any less satisfying to me though, I love rowing through gears and exploring the upper limits of the rev range. My question is however how many problems/defects N52 vs. N54. I don't believe the numbers are even close.
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:42 PM
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Yeah I will admit that my 328i coupe is slower than the 335i guys. Not any less satisfying to me though, I love rowing through gears and exploring the upper limits of the rev range. My question is however how many problems/defects N52 vs. N54. I don't believe the numbers are even close.

Other than the HPFP, I am not aware of any recurring problems with the N54. I think this is more or less borne out by the 335i reliability survey from consumerreports.org (subscription required.) And it is still a 'recommended' CR car, too, for what it's worth.

If you wanted to play the numbers, then sure - the N52 will probably have a reliability edge. But I wouldn't run screaming from an N54.
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Other than the HPFP, I am not aware of any recurring problems with the N54. I think this is more or less borne out by the 335i reliability survey from consumerreports.org (subscription required.) And it is still a 'recommended' CR car, too, for what it's worth.

If you wanted to play the numbers, then sure - the N52 will probably have a reliability edge. But I wouldn't run screaming from an N54.
And neither would I if I had one. My point is that both cars have their advantages and disadvantages but are still awfully good.
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Old 03-28-2009, 02:12 PM
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Yeah I will admit that my 328i coupe is slower than the 335i guys. Not any less satisfying to me though, I love rowing through gears and exploring the upper limits of the rev range. My question is however how many problems/defects N52 vs. N54. I don't believe the numbers are even close.
They are probably closer to each other than to a toyota or honda. Frankly people get wrapped up in the numbers when the difference is 0.5% vs 0.8%. My car has been more reliable than my last two nissans, the last honda, and the last VW. So I have a fuel pump that may fail and a 10 year warranty on it, still better than the ricers I have had. My friends e90 325i has had a whole host of electrical issues, windows dont work, key fob doesnt work, CEL going off all the time. My car has been way more reliable in the first 21K than his.
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