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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 06-22-2009, 11:52 AM
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Any long-term follow-up from any users with at least 40-50K on these:

1. Stock Lemforder with stock Boge bushing: how long does the bushing last?

2. Modified Control Arm (Lemforder, TRW) with Meyle HD bushing: how long does the HD bushing last?
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:57 AM
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Fluid?
Yes. OEM bushings are fluid filled. It's the main reason they fail so early. It only takes a few hairline cracks and the fluid leaks out. Once the fluid is gone there is nothing to back up the rubber.

The HD bushings are not fluid filled and do not have the voids. They have rubber where there is normally fluid.
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Old 06-22-2009, 12:02 PM
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Any long-term follow-up from any users with at least 40-50K on these:

1. Stock Lemforder with stock Boge bushing: how long does the bushing last?

2. Modified Control Arm (Lemforder, TRW) with Meyle HD bushing: how long does the HD bushing last?
Still waiting to have any failures reported by HD owners.

Keep this in mind....
We make less money on the arms with HD bushing than we do with just OEM arms. It is labor intensive to press the bushings out and the new ones back in. We do not charge for that. Also, occasionally a sleeve will shift and trash a bushing or an arm.

We offer this as a service. There would be far less headaches if we just ditched the offering.
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Old 06-22-2009, 12:16 PM
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Yes. OEM bushings are fluid filled. It's the main reason they fail so early. It only takes a few hairline cracks and the fluid leaks out. Once the fluid is gone there is nothing to back up the rubber.

The HD bushings are not fluid filled and do not have the voids. They have rubber where there is normally fluid.
Are we talking about engine mounts or control arms?
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Old 06-22-2009, 12:20 PM
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Control arms. The thrust arm (tension strut) bushings.
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Old 07-07-2009, 10:32 AM
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Back to the Bushing business for the Front Control Arm (Thrust Arm), I just wonder why bother with:
- Lemforder ($120) + Meyle bushing ($30/each) when one can buy the

- Entire Meyle Strut Arm for $129:
http://www.oembimmerparts.com/catalo...74/5122398.htm

The key question is the "other" joint, namely the Balljoint: is Lemforder's Balljoint better than Meyle Balljoint?
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Old 07-07-2009, 10:39 AM
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Back to the Bushing business for the Front Control Arm (Thrust Arm), I just wonder why bother with:
- Lemforder ($120) + Meyle bushing ($30/each) when one can buy the

- Entire Meyle Strut Arm for $129:
http://www.oembimmerparts.com/catalo...74/5122398.htm

The key question is the "other" joint, namely the Balljoint: is Lemforder's Balljoint better than Meyle Balljoint?
Good question!
I have been asking that for a long time now...
I would assume that the Meyle HD arm has the HD bushing AND HD ball joint???
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Old 07-07-2009, 11:48 AM
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I wouldn't buy them. I sold a few sets but have been less than impressed. The arms are so cheap looking it's pitiful. I can get them if you want them but you've been warned....
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Old 07-07-2009, 02:28 PM
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Read up on Meyle control arms and the numerous failures of their ball joints and you'll know why you need to go with the Lemforders. There are a lot of threads on this over at E46fanatics and a few audiforums. Meyle are generally refurbished OEM arms, which have aftermarket ball joints pressed into them, in Turkey.
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Old 07-07-2009, 04:20 PM
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They are not refurbished OEM arms. They look so cheesy and cheap.
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Old 07-14-2009, 08:40 AM
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Jared,

I would like to order Lemforder arm with Meyle HD Bushing pressed in.
What is the waiting time from order to shipping out time?
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:41 AM
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Jared,

I would like to order Lemforder arm with Meyle HD Bushing pressed in.
What is the waiting time from order to shipping out time?
3-5 day average. Sometimes sooner depending on when we are pressing vs when you order.

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Old 07-15-2009, 10:13 AM
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Jared,

Do you have username or email of people who ordered the order Lemforder arm with Meyle HD Bushing pressed in.
I just wonder if I can PM them to see how they are doing: happy or unhappy?
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:53 AM
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You can post here or on BFC requesting feedback. Obviously I can't give you email addresses but I can try to get you in touch with some users.

If you want PM some users I know BlackBMWs is using them (although he installed his own). Tptrsn (?) and Orxan on BFC are 2 others. It's hard for me to match user names to real names but those are the ones I can think of off hand.

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Old 07-17-2009, 09:12 PM
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Jared,

Do you have username or email of people who ordered the order Lemforder arm with Meyle HD Bushing pressed in.
I just wonder if I can PM them to see how they are doing: happy or unhappy?
I have only just installed mine and now have about 500Km on them with new Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus tire and an alignment as well. I am very pleased with the result.
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Old 07-18-2009, 06:44 AM
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I have only just installed mine and now have about 500Km on them with new Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus tire and an alignment as well. I am very pleased with the result.
Thanks but 500 Km does not mean much. 40-60K will tell us more. But thanks anyway.

I just placed a large order for the entire front suspension with EACTuning and will post a DIY for the 6-cylinder version soon.
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Old 07-18-2009, 05:47 PM
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sorry to bring up an old thread but does EAC still offer the Lemforder arms wth Meyle HD bushings pressed in for a E39 M5?
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Old 09-30-2011, 07:09 AM
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sorry to bring up an old thread but does EAC still offer the Lemforder arms wth Meyle HD bushings pressed in for a E39 M5?
Yes we do.
http://www.eaceuroparts.com/catalog/product/453

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Old 09-30-2011, 09:21 AM
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Two-year follow-up: the Lemforder Thrust Arm (with Meyle HD bushing pressed in) is performing flawlessly.
Thanks Jared for offering this option for the E39 people!
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Old 09-30-2011, 09:36 AM
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Max,

Did TRW and Meyle get "married" recently?
I thought TRW is TRW and Meyle is Meyle.

But if you click on my link above (autohausaz), then the brand name is TRW-Meyle?
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autohausaz say OR TRW OR Meyle
The good thing you can send it back if you don't like
RM european has 5% discount is going on and they do care good staff ( i cant say the same about autohausaz all time ) as well as ECS and EAC
stay away from Meyle and TRW is as good as LMFRD
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Old 09-30-2011, 11:39 AM
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Max,

I am doing the whole front end, so looking at both upper and lower control arms.
(BTW, BMW complicates things by calling these different names! They are basically the equivalent of an A-Arm of a Volvo or Honda, just split the A-Arm into 2 and called diff names!!!).

BlackBMWs,
Pricing is an issue!

TRW Thrust Arm is about $100
TRW Thrust Arm + HD bushing is $280 per pair!

Lemforder Thrust Arm is about $135
Lemforder Thrust Arm + HD is $320 per pair!

I need to call Jared at EAC Tuning!!!
Hey CN90,
how about bma auto parts, did a quick search for you, seems they have good pricing:
http://www.bmaparts.com/ShopByVehicl...0Joint&mode=PA
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Old 09-30-2011, 11:50 AM
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Actually I was referring to:

1. New Suspension parts, the debate between TRW vs Lemforder vs Meyle

2. The Bushing. When I buy new part:
TRW and Lemforder uses fluid-filled bushing ---> if this route, then to use Meyle HD bushing or not?
Meyle already has the HD solid rubber in it (no fluid) ---> if this route then no need to modify the thrust arm.

Also using new Lemforder control arms, does Power Flex offer better ride?
http://www.beastpower.com/Merchant2/...Code=powerflex
Doesn't EAC Tuning offer the Lemforder arm with the Meyle HD bushing pressed in already for $285? That would seem to be the best bet if your willing to pay a few extra bucks.

In my research Lemforder is undisputed king, TRW a close second (i guess chivas is saying otherwise) and meyle a distant last or one of the last in quality. Boge, Febi, *** (all very good also) all beating it out. Would love to hear input on this.
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Old 09-30-2011, 12:01 PM
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lol, maybe I should read through the entire thread first...
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Old 10-04-2011, 06:37 PM
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cn90,

Did you ever do a DIY for the 6 cyl suspension replacement?

Thanks,

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