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Old 05-17-2009, 10:34 AM
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Greetings all! I just had my '07 328xi detailed at a local car wash. They used Armor All on the interior, and it appears they used it on the seats as well (the seats are really shiny and greasy). My car supposedly came with the premium package with black dakota leather (i still have the sticker, and it shows it there as well), but my friend keeps telling me it it's leatherette.

My 'leather' is textured, and has always been pretty thick and tough, not soft at all. Is this how the dakota leather is? Is there a definite way to tell the difference between them? If it is the dakota leather, will Armor All damage it?

I've attached a few images that shows the texturing of the seats, if it helps. Thanks, I really appreciate any help with this.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:40 AM
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kizel, prepared to get flamed from other's here

but seriously imho, armor all is terrible for leather - i don't think it's made for that

and a car wash detail is even worse- i hope they didn't put buffer/hologram marks on your car.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:41 AM
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Looks like Dakota leather to me. Do you have the auto dimming mirrors and bluetooth? That's another way to confirm premium package.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:51 AM
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Looks like the leather to me as well.

You can usually tell just by the smell to be honest. Leather smells like leather.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:46 AM
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That's what my leather looks like too. It's not very soft. Leatherette feels more rubberish.
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Old 05-17-2009, 12:00 PM
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Same here, from the photos it looks like leather (the leatherette has much smaller simulated "pebbles" or texture). Plus, like others have said, smell it. From my understanding, Armor All is a vinyl (leatherette) and plastic protector and should not be used on leather, where you need conditioners and oils to keep it from wearing/cracking/etc. You should kindly ask your car wash not to use Armor all in the interior!

Haha, I'm probably asking for some flames, but I think the BMW leatherette is actually pretty high quality (i.e. looks pretty good) and durable too. I had it on my E46 (looked/felt great after five years) but went with the beige dakota leather this time. Personally, I think BMW's nappa leather is much nicer and more supple. Okay fine, they're on the much more expensive models, but I don't think BMW's dakota leather matches up to other competitors in the same price range.
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Old 05-17-2009, 12:11 PM
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Compared to the leather in my e46 M3, the Dakota leather is not as nice. Still decent though.

I agree the BMW leatherette is not too bad, but the Dakota is better IMO
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:06 PM
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I have dakota black and it looks just like that.

Armor All do a range of products, so if they used Armour All Leather Care, no worries, if they used Armor All Protectant I'd be a bit worried.

If I was you I'd probably play it safe and apply a light leather cleaner followed by a leather cream, otherwise whatever they applied might dry your leather out.
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I hate the old school Armour All shiny stuff. If they put that on your seats, wash it off and put a good leather conditioner on. I like the Lexol cleaner and conditioner.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:07 PM
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I wouldn't worry too much about the Armor All... it's not like you have been using it on your seats a dozen times or more. I would just get a leather cleaner (I recommend Zaino Bros.) and conditioner and your seats will smell and feel great.
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Compared to the leather in my e46 M3, the Dakota leather is not as nice. Still decent though.

I agree the BMW leatherette is not too bad, but the Dakota is better IMO
Well that's because its a M3 and therefore BMW puts higher quality leather into that car. Just like the brakes and engine are "better" in your M3 than in a regular e90 3 series.
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:57 AM
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sorry man. Armor all sucks. I'd get that stuck stripped off and use pinnacle leather cleaner and then conditioner. And dakota leather is supposed to be better than your old e46 leather. At least that's what i've read. Good luck.
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:59 AM
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Well that's because its a M3 and therefore BMW puts higher quality leather into that car. Just like the brakes and engine are "better" in your M3 than in a regular e90 3 series.
Yup, it sure is nice though
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:02 AM
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I hate the old school Armour All shiny stuff. If they put that on your seats, wash it off and put a good leather conditioner on. I like the Lexol cleaner and conditioner.
The Lexol smells really good to me for some reason. Kinda fruity but not citrus. Vanilla mango and leather maybe...
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:14 AM
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You have Dakota Leather. Your pic looks exactly like the interior in my car. I would just wipe off the excess armorall with a slightly damp cloth and at your next opportunity clean and condition your leather using a product specifically designed for leather. I used the Zymol kit (cleaner and conditioner) and my car smells great.
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it is leather. i can tell by the way it is pulled and stitched in picture 1. no question.
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I wouldn't recommend using Armor All on any part of your car, because it is shiny and kind of sticky (not a sentence I enjoyed writing, btw). However, it will not hurt your leather. Vinyl protectants, like 303 etc can help seal the leather and protect it against sun damage. So, no worries.

I would go ahead and clean the seats, but the armor all will just disappear on it's own in time anyway.
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I have used Lexol, Zymol, Meguiars and Zaino leather care products. All of them are good products in my opinion. Meguiars makes an interior detail spay and a vinyl and rubber protectant. Either of these is superior to Armoral and they do not leave the greasy look that armoral does.

I found that the Dakota Leather looks much better if it is cleaned and conditioned regulally. I do it at least once a month,

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I have used Lexol, Zymol, Meguiars and Zaino leather care products. All of them are good products in my opinion. Meguiars makes an interior detail spay and a vinyl and rubber protectant. Either of these is superior to Armoral and they do not leave the greasy look that armoral does.

I found that the Dakota Leather looks much better if it is cleaned and conditioned regulally. I do it at least once a month,

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Don't quote me, but I don't think it'll hurt your leather. You'll probably want to use a good leather conditioner anyway though.

Generally, I use the old shiny armour-all on the few pieces of "hard" plastics, and the "natural finish" (dull) armour-all on the soft touch plastics (like the dash). I use a leather conditioner on the leather. Seems to work well.
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kizel, prepared to get flamed from other's here

but seriously imho, armor all is terrible for leather - i don't think it's made for that

and a car wash detail is even worse- i hope they didn't put buffer/hologram marks on your car.
The way I read the OP's post, he didn't necessarily pick the Armor All, that's just want the detailing place used.

To the OP: that looks like real leather. I agree with others here: use the Zaino Z-9 (leather cleaner) and Zaino Z-10 (leather conditioner). That's what I use. There are other suitable alternatives, but Armor all is NOT one of them. Leatherique is also good, but much more costly, and mostly for severely dry and cracked leather.
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Thanks for your advice everyone, and letting me know about the choice products. Since the detail job was a little spendy, I'm debating whether or not to go back to the shop and have them clean off the armor all and put on a good leather conditioner. I'll definitely be doing it myself from now on though, and will try a few of the different products that were suggested.
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Ok, just got back from the shop. The manager claims they always use Armor All on the leather, but they will use Lexol if it's requested. He said they use Armor All on every car they get in, Ferraris, Bentleys, etc. Oh well, think I'll still be doing it myself from now on. Thanks everyone.
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