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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 07-27-2015, 08:13 AM
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2000 BMW 528i key wont turn in ignition

First off, I am aware their are several threads already on this issue. Ive gone through them all, and tried everything.

I have a 2000 BMW 528i that the key refuses to turn in the ignition.
I left for work, had trouble turning it but after a few tries it went and turned into the on and starting posistion.
When I was going home that night I go to try to turn it and the key refuses to turn and now the steering wheel is locked.
YES IVE TRIED TO UNLOCK THE WHEEL I AM A MECHANIC AND UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.
As of right now Inhave the column taken apart, ignition switch removed, it still will power the car but not start it.
Ive tried wd40 in the tumbler and on the other end where it connects to the ignition switch, but it wont budge.
Ive tried moving the end that connects to the switch and still get no results.
PLEASE HELP!!!
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Old 07-27-2015, 09:52 AM
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I moved your thread to the E39 5 series forum, you will get more help in here.

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Old 07-27-2015, 10:49 AM
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Get new tumbler from dealer. About $90...

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Old 07-27-2015, 11:32 AM
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Did you try moving the steering wheel back and forth whilst twisting the key?
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Old 07-27-2015, 11:52 AM
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Did you try moving the steering wheel back and forth whilst twisting the key?
Yes. For a total of 5 hours. Until I broke down and decided to take the shroud off and pull the ignition switch. When I turn the switch it only turns the car on. Doesn't start it.
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:36 PM
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The anti-theft system has to read the chip in the key before allowing to start. There is a ring antenna around the ignition key slot to read the key.
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:47 PM
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The anti-theft system has to read the chip in the key before allowing to start. There is a ring antenna around the ignition key slot to read the key.
I know that. But the key works in the doors doesn't it have the same reader?
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Old 07-27-2015, 03:01 PM
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No. The remote entry and the engine start security are two separate systems. Remote entry uses a cell; security is passive.
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Old 07-27-2015, 04:39 PM
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Ditto...see info below since this topic is covered almost every week...and since there's lots of info out there on BMW's EWS/FZV/DWA systems....this can be an appetizer if you weren't aware of tyhe 3 different features in the remote key:


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Old 07-28-2015, 06:29 AM
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My key isn't like that one. Its just regular bmw key with a light
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:06 AM
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...But the key works in the doors doesn't it have the same reader?
Ah...it wasn't made clear that you had a non-remote key. But the answer is still no...EWS is a totally different system than central locking (FZV) & the anti-theft alarm siren system (DWA)

Your non remote key when used in the door is activating FZV (central locking) as well as DWA (anti-theft alarm siren system)..and this data is transferred over the car's bus system to lock/unlock & arm/disarm the vehicle.

EWS (whether using a remote or non-remote key) sends a 125 KHz AM signal from the EWS control module to the Ring Antenna...which through induction powers up the chip (all BMW keys from 1/95-up have a transponder chip) which then sends the ISN (individual serial number) back to the EWS control module...which then verifies that the ISN from the key matches the (same) ISN that is burned into the EWS control module and DME...then the vehicle is released for starting.

But...I'm wandering off the topic at hand which is...you're having a mechanical issue with the key not turning in the ignition barrel. It sounds like you may have an issue with your cylinder/barrel and some obstruction or broken part within the barrel that is preventing if from rotating past KL R & KL 15 (ignition position 1 & 2).

Here's some info in case you attempt to remove/replace the cylinder/barrel:



(also...be careful and not put to much pressure on the cylinder if it isn't turning...because if it breaks loose & spins 360...then it's toast and you'll definitely need a new barrel because it will be interpreted as a thief trying to steal the car)

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Old 07-28-2015, 08:41 AM
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Ah...it wasn't made clear that you had a non-remote key. But the answer is still no...EWS is a totally different system than central locking (FZV) & the anti-theft alarm siren system (DWA)

Your non remote key when used in the door is activating FZV (central locking) as well as DWA (anti-theft alarm siren system)..and this data is transferred over the car's bus system to lock/unlock & arm/disarm the vehicle.

EWS (whether using a remote or non-remote key) sends a 125 KHz AM signal from the EWS control module to the Ring Antenna...which through induction powers up the chip (all BMW keys from 1/95-up have a transponder chip) which then sends the ISN (individual serial number) back to the EWS control module...which then verifies that the ISN from the key matches the (same) ISN that is burned into the EWS control module and DME...then the vehicle is released for starting.

But...I'm wandering off the topic at hand which is...you're having a mechanical issue with the key not turning in the ignition barrel. It sounds like you may have an issue with your cylinder/barrel and some obstruction or broken part within the barrel that is preventing if from rotating past KL R & KL 15 (ignition position 1 & 2).

Here's some info in case you attempt to remove/replace the cylinder/barrel:



(also...be careful and not put to much pressure on the cylinder if it isn't turning...because if it breaks loose & spins 360...then it's toast and you'll definitely need a new barrel because it will be interpreted as a thief trying to steal the car)

Thanks for so much info. As I said before I can't turn the tumbler to even radio. So when I try to remove it I cant. I'm wondering how BMW would deal with that issue.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:49 AM
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Also. Should the car start from the ignition switch if my key is in the column? Or does the wheel need to be unlocked?
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Old 07-28-2015, 10:11 AM
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With the ignition switch off, you can start the car if the key is in the tumbler and you twist the ignition switch.

Try twisting the metal piece coming out of the tumbler that goes into the ignition switch with some pliers. Sometimes it gets out of sync with the ignition switch. It's happened to me twice and caused the same problems you have.
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With the ignition switch off, you can start the car if the key is in the tumbler and you twist the ignition switch.

Try twisting the metal piece coming out of the tumbler that goes into the ignition switch with some pliers. Sometimes it gets out of sync with the ignition switch. It's happened to me twice and caused the same problems you have.
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Old 07-28-2015, 10:42 AM
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Old 07-28-2015, 11:03 AM
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With the ignition switch off, you can start the car if the key is in the tumbler and you twist the ignition switch.

Try twisting the metal piece coming out of the tumbler that goes into the ignition switch with some pliers. Sometimes it gets out of sync with the ignition switch. It's happened to me twice and caused the same problems you have.
Okay. I have the key in the tumbler. I turn the switch and only the electric for the car comes on. Is this the chip in the key? Does the chip not allow you to turn the tumbler as well?
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Old 07-28-2015, 11:05 AM
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York problem is not the switch, but the key tumbler, a quik fix is to drill the bottom of the shaft to kill the steering lock put the key in and use the switch by hand to turn the car and move around.
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Old 07-28-2015, 11:24 AM
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But again. With the key in the ignition it won't turn over. If I unlock the steering wheel you're saying it will start?
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Old 07-28-2015, 11:30 AM
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Turn the switch by hand but make sure the key is in the tumbler so the ews will read the chip
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Old 07-28-2015, 11:56 AM
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Turn the switch by hand but make sure the key is in the tumbler so the ews will read the chip
Even when I do this, the car doest start. So it must be the chip?
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Even when I do this, the car doest start. So it must be the chip?
Agreed. It must be the chip. EWS system is a pain sometimes.
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Old 07-28-2015, 12:19 PM
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Agreed. It must be the chip. EWS system is a pain sometimes.
But what I'm asking. Does the tumbler turn if the chip is bad? Could it be the ews ring around the tumbler?
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Old 07-28-2015, 12:40 PM
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The key should always be able to spin the tumbler unless the steering wheel needs to be jiggled or unless the tumbler jams but that is rare and is fixed as shown above. The chip only prevents the on position but you should always be able to access the 1 and 2 positions. My spare in case I lock myself out is a chipless key and I have used to get position 1 and 2 but nothing happens when you try activating the starter.

Since you manually turned the ignition switch to the on position with the key loaded in the tumbler like normal, it leads me to believe that the EWS system is having issues.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:07 PM
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The key should always be able to spin the tumbler unless the steering wheel needs to be jiggled or unless the tumbler jams but that is rare and is fixed as shown above. The chip only prevents the on position but you should always be able to access the 1 and 2 positions. My spare in case I lock myself out is a chipless key and I have used to get position 1 and 2 but nothing happens when you try activating the starter.

Since you manually turned the ignition switch to the on position with the key loaded in the tumbler like normal, it leads me to believe that the EWS system is having issues.
More likely than not its the chip in the key then? Does autozone reprogram the chip when they cut a key or is just the key cut with no chip? Because BMW is talking 200
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