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Old 06-14-2009, 09:46 AM
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2010 328i Do you think it will get an increase in HP

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Do you think it's possible that the 328i sedan would get a bump in hp for 2010 or do you think it will remain the same. Hasn't BMW bumped up the 328i every few yrs 10 or 15 hp just to keep it fresh every few yrs, seems like it hasn't been bumped up in a while. Will the economy prevent them from increasing it and decide to wait for the new re-design.

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Old 06-14-2009, 10:00 AM
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I don't think more HP.

But maybe direct injection, as implemented on the euro 325i since last year.

Although HPFP severe issues might have them a second thought about it.
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I'm guessing the next big thing will be a diesel in a coupe for the U.S. I hope they can combine it with a manual.
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With actual 335d sales? Not a chance.
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Old 06-14-2009, 11:23 AM
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I don't think more HP.

But maybe direct injection, as implemented on the euro 325i since last year.

Although HPFP severe issues might have them a second thought about it.
Noooooooo!!!

Unless they fix that d**n pump.
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Old 06-14-2009, 08:36 PM
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More horsies would be a smart idea. 30 more would be perfect.
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This is a thread for the 328i

Do you think it's possible that the 328i sedan would get a bump in hp for 2010 or do you think it will remain the same. Hasn't BMW bumped up the 328i every few yrs 10 or 15 hp just to keep it fresh every few yrs, seems like it hasn't been bumped up in a while. Will the economy prevent them from increasing it and decide to wait for the new re-design.

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If they direct inject the motor, it can make around 280 hp, but that would require an HPFP. They could really amke the motor rev, like the new M3, but that would hurt longevity much more than an HPFP, and I doubt the weaker Mg/Al block in the N52 can take the power/rpms. The power increase using direct injection does not require increased RPMs as the DI cars work well with substantially higher compression ratios(VW uses 12.3:1 in the 3.6L passat).

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I'm guessing the next big thing will be a diesel in a coupe for the U.S. I hope they can combine it with a manual.
Not if it's a 335d. Perhaps on a 320d. My guess is that the diesel lineup for 2010 won't change in the US unless sales are just stellar.
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Nope, for a couple reasons.

1. We won't get the 3,0 litre N53 motor because our sulphur content in our fuels is too high. Plus, it only makes 218PS in Europe; Europeans have no idea what a "328i with 230PS" is cuz it doesn't exist in their market.

2. It was just facelifted.......why would there be a bump in power now? I mean, the E46 from 2001-2005 didn't have any increase in power, save the introduction of ZHP.
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Sure would be nice if they would offer the ZHP/M package at around 250 HP, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Nope, for a couple reasons.

1. We won't get the 3,0 litre N53 motor because our sulphur content in our fuels is too high. Plus, it only makes 218PS in Europe; Europeans have no idea what a "328i with 230PS" is cuz it doesn't exist in their market.

2. It was just facelifted.......why would there be a bump in power now? I mean, the E46 from 2001-2005 didn't have any increase in power, save the introduction of ZHP.
As of '06 the limits in europe and the USA wer both <30ppm sulfur.

http://www.cianalytics.com/Environme...r%20Sulfur.pdf

there are a number of DI engines out there already in the USA, sulfur hasnt stopped them.

I think the reason is the ethanol in fuels, the dirty little bugaboo in US gas. When BMW introduced the 335, they stated that 8 direct engines were under development, that the whole line was going DI. Its been silent since, I suspect their experience with electric fuel pumps(vs everyone elses mechanical ones) has delayed things indefinitely.

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What would be the rationale to "bump" the 328i output when they already have a very similar 3.0 liter engine that makes 265hp? If they didn't put that 265hp 3.0 liter engine in the 328i to start with, why does ANY of you think they'll "bump" the 328i output without making similar adjustment all across the range?

Think about it.
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Old 06-15-2009, 12:31 PM
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If the 328i was meant to get more power, they would have just left the 330i in the US. lol.
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As of '06 the limits in europe and the USA wer both <30ppm sulfur.

http://www.cianalytics.com/Environme...r%20Sulfur.pdf

there are a number of DI engines out there already in the USA, sulfur hasnt stopped them.

I think the reason is the ethanol in fuels, the dirty little bugaboo in US gas. When BMW introduced the 335, they stated that 8 direct engines were under development, that the whole line was going DI. Its been silent since, I suspect their experience with electric fuel pumps(vs everyone elses mechanical ones) has delayed things indefinitely.
Don't know about the sulphur content for sure. Let's just agree that our fuel isn't up to par with Europe. Wiki does have an article on the N53.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N53
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What would be the rationale to "bump" the 328i output when they already have a very similar 3.0 liter engine that makes 265hp? If they didn't put that 265hp 3.0 liter engine in the 328i to start with, why does ANY of you think they'll "bump" the 328i output without making similar adjustment all across the range?

Think about it.
The only reason BMW would bump the 328 is if the 335 gets way more expensive than the G37(it has). I do suspect that the sales of the 335 would be hurt by a 280hp 328 though. I would have bought a 328 NA instead if it had 280 hp. Come to think of it, I would have bought a 328 if I could have found a sedan with 6M that wasnt black(I wanted good AC). I drove the 328 auto and it felt slow compared to my 280 hp passat, the manual sure didnt feel slow.
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Don't know about the sulphur content for sure. Let's just agree that our fuel isn't up to par with Europe. Wiki does have an article on the N53.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N53
Yep we can agree that US fuels dont have the quality of the european fuels. Its true of the diesel as well. the 335d makes 286 hp in europe(50 cetane min spec), and 265 hp here(45 cetane US spec).
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