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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 06-24-2009, 09:07 PM
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vibration at idle 2007 525

Anyone else have a slight vibration at idle? The vibration can only be felt in the steering wheel and the shift knob. I sat in another 525 with manual tranny and same thing.

if i give it a bit of gas and raise the revs the vibration goes away. no error messages. doesn't matter if car is cold or warm.

my e46 is like a rock at idle and it's 8+ years old.

the best description is it feels similar to having the AC on in the e46 where the engine struggles a little bit due to the extra load. but in the case of the 5er I have all accessories off and the vibration can still be felt. as a passenger you would never notice it as it can only be felt through the steering wheel/shift knob. no fluctuations on the RPM either.
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Old 06-24-2009, 09:34 PM
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mine (same car) also has a vibration at idle. i feel it coming from the engine. i have no idea why it does it.
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Old 06-25-2009, 06:25 AM
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well i guess that makes 3 different cars with same symptoms, guess it's 'normal'. just surprised that my e46 is rock solid and a car that is almost twice the cost isn't.

who are these test engineers at BMW...clearly they need to hire us instead.
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Old 06-25-2009, 08:25 AM
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I hate that feeling. I have it in my 545i too. The service guy says it's normal

My old e36, e30 and e 38 never had it.
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Old 06-25-2009, 08:40 PM
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Try cleaning you're mass airflow meter, it worked for me.
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Old 06-25-2009, 08:46 PM
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what did you use?

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Try cleaning you're mass airflow meter, it worked for me.
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Old 06-25-2009, 10:21 PM
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You can get it at Autozone or any auto supply store probably, it's a semi-generic gray can that states MAF cleaner and is specifically designed for such. Just pull your MAF from tube going from your air cleaner to the throttle body and spray generously without touching the electrodes with the nozzle or your hands and replace.
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Old 06-26-2009, 07:39 AM
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I had the same problem with my '07 525. The vibration is felt through the steering wheel at idle. Send in for service and the problem is now completely solved with no hint of vibration. I notice that the reading in the tacho meter is now higher at idle.
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Old 07-04-2009, 06:46 AM
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I have the same problem with my 2008 550i. I take it to the dealer and they claim there is no issue - so I guess I have to live with it
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Old 07-07-2009, 08:17 PM
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i noticed that if i clutch in the vibration goes away. i'm thinking the flywheel is not completely true. very odd. no issues in any gears. but it's definitely from the tranny. thoughts?
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I have a 07 530i automatic and I have the same issue. But I believe my car only vibrates when the car is cold. Once it's warmed up enough, it's not there.
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Old 10-18-2009, 03:06 PM
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I had the same problem with my '07 525. The vibration is felt through the steering wheel at idle. Send in for service and the problem is now completely solved with no hint of vibration. I notice that the reading in the tacho meter is now higher at idle.
What did they do to fix it? The two dealers I went to just ignored me and told me that it was normal.
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Old 10-18-2009, 04:09 PM
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I recently purchased a used 07 525i and also notice a vibration at idle, around 600 RPM. My local mechanic (not dealer related) said he couldn't change the RPM as it was set by the computer. I haven't tried the cleaning of the mass airflow meter yet though.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:15 PM
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Ok, I was able to get the dreaded low idle vibration fixed on my 2008 528i. I did some research and found out that there is a bmw service bulletin that describes this problem. The service bulletin number is 18 02 08. (see the description of the bulletin below)


After 2 previous attempts at getting this problem fixed at two different dealerships, the 3rd time was a charm. As usual they initially tried to blow me off and tell me that the booming idle was normal. Then I insisted that they look at the car with the service bulletin that I handed them. The end result was that my idle is now nice and smooth. The problem is not that the idle is too low, but that the problem has to do with the exhaust system vibration. The following is the actual text of the service bulletin:



"Service Bulletin 18 02 08

Customer may complain of a slight vibration and/or droning noise when the vehicle is idling in park, neutral, drive and reverse when engine is at operating temperature.


CAUSE
Insufficient vibration dampening of the exhaust system.


PROCEDURE
1.Verify the complaint. Vibration/droning is most prevalent when engine is at operating temperature.

2.Remove the lower bracket for the exhaust system. If droning/vibration is gone, proceed to step three. If vibration/droning still exists with the lower bracket removed; continue troubleshooting exhaust/driveline for other causes or conditions

3.Remove complete bracket assembly and replace it with the bracket (1) PN 18 20 7 521 346 using two new ASA bolts (PN 07 12 9 905 417. Tighten to 21Nm.
Install front pipe bracket (1) PN 18 20 7 521 347 with four rubber bushings (2) (PN 18 20 7 546 579) to the new 346 bracket with two ASA bolts (PN 07 12 9 904 559) and two nuts (PN 07 12 9 904 580). Tighten down to 21Nm

After performing this procedure the vehicle will exhibit the same amount of normal driveline vibration as a comparably equipped E60 with a M54 or N52 engine."




Now what follows is the exact wording from the invoice of what the dealer did to repair my car:

“Insufficient vibration dampening of the exhaust system. As per service bulletin 18 02 08, verified vibration, removed lower bracket from exhaust system, vibration no longer present, removed and replaced complete exhaust bracket assembly and replaced exhaust vibration dampener, test drove vehicle OK. Defect Code: 18 11 00 39 00 Labor op: 18 99 000”

I hope this helps. This was a real pain, but I am very happy with the result. Let us know if it works for you.
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Old 10-21-2009, 06:34 PM
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Thanks for info Eric!
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:20 PM
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what does the vibration feel like? I don't have a booming sound just vibration that can be felt in gear stick and steering wheel. mine is manual. not sure if it's any different.

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Ok, I was able to get the dreaded low idle vibration fixed on my 2008 528i. I did some research and found out that there is a bmw service bulletin that describes this problem. The service bulletin number is 18 02 08. (see the description of the bulletin below)
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:05 PM
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Eric

what does the vibration feel like? I don't have a booming sound just vibration that can be felt in gear stick and steering wheel. mine is manual. not sure if it's any different.

If you rev the engine slightly will the vibration go away? My car is an automatic.
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:22 PM
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yes the vibration does go away. it also goes away when the clutch is in even without raising the revs.

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If you rev the engine slightly will the vibration go away? My car is an automatic.
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Old 11-26-2009, 07:23 AM
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This also worked great with my 2008 528i. The vibration caused by this problem will not throw a diagnostic code, so you need to point this SIB out to the dealer when you bring the car. Otherwise they will just look for diagnostic codes, and when it comes up clean they will claim the car is fine and running to spec.
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Idle vibration

I read the posts where the dealers say this is normal? What? They can't figure this out? Just raising the idle a tad with the accelerator causes it to disappear so kicking the idle up 100 RPM would probably make it go away. OK, maybe the exhaust is the real cause, so they don't know about their own service bulletin when it's a common complaint? No excuse for this.

I just bought an 08 E60 528i w/44k a month ago. So far, a running light has gone out, I have the idle issue, and now a low tire pressure alert but the pressure is fine. We drove our 03 Avalon 115k and not one problem. And it was a former daily rental car that never sees the dealer. If this crap continues, this thing will be history. Hopefully, when I get these things resolved, it will behave itself.
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I have an '06 530 xit and don't experience any vibration during idling. The car is very smooth. However, as soon as I hit 60 mph, there's quite a bit of vibration mostly ( I think) happening at the front end of the car. My first thought was that the wheels are bent but got this checked and balanced. Front end has also been checked. Does anyone had similar issues in the past? Really need some help badly.
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:36 PM
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Sounds like tires. Do you regularly rotate, say every 5000 miles? Not sure what is recommended for BMW. Do you feel a shake in the steering wheel? Does it lessen or increase if you turn the wheel one way or another? That may point to which tire is the problem as weight is shifted to one or another, but this may apply more to noisy wheel bearings. Less growl as weight is lifted off. Rotating tires may change things somewhat as front may be more susectable to uneven tire wear. How many miles are on the tires? More likely to be a problem if not rotated and worn.
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Hi All,

First post here, just got my BMW 2007 525i with 94k and needed to fix this idle droning noise. My car had a build date of 10/06 and instead of the stock 88hz damper as specified in the SIB had a 83hz damper!

Anyways, I scanned the document with pictures and parts list so that people will have a better idea of what is involved. It does cost money if you take your car to the dealer as they will charge since its not a recall.

I chose to do it myself and save some cash. My car has an N52B30 and is not an N52K so I didnt need to buy all the assorted brackets, and just needed the PN#18107506145 vibration damper. Got it at the dealer for $71.32. Just ask them for net pricing as the List price is $103.41.

The swap is as simple as jacking up the rear of the car, and using two socket wrenches to undo the nut (one to hold the bolt steady while the other wrench loosens the nut).

Hope this helps. Remember, the N52 as specified in the bulletin only needs the vibration damper to complete the fix. the N52k needs everything. This solved the boomy bassy cabin noise drone and makes the car feel like it has a normal idle instead of a problem idle.
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:38 PM
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Thumbs down vibration at idle 2007 525

I have a 2008 528i that I believe was produced around June 2007. How do I tell if I have the N52 engine? I assume that an 08 does and it sounds like it was produced from 2004-11. How do I tell which damper I have? What are the dimensions for each? What is the weight of each? Is the P/N stamped on them?

I removed the brackets and the rumble or vibration is gone. I have been running with the brackets off so far. Now I need to know if I just need the damper or everything. I'm guessing just the damper. I assume the correct damper is larger and heavier. If so, why couldn't one just add weight and achieve the same result?
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:26 PM
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I have a 2008 528i that I believe was produced around June 2007. How do I tell if I have the N52 engine? I assume that an 08 does and it sounds like it was produced from 2004-11. How do I tell which damper I have? What are the dimensions for each? What is the weight of each? Is the P/N stamped on them?

I removed the brackets and the rumble or vibration is gone. I have been running with the brackets off so far. Now I need to know if I just need the damper or everything. I'm guessing just the damper. I assume the correct damper is larger and heavier. If so, why couldn't one just add weight and achieve the same result?
There is a tag on the front of the engine which tells you the model of your engine. You can also go to realoem.com and enter in the last seven of your Vin number and it will tell you your engine I believe.

The damper has the pn and Hz inscribed on the side of the rubber part. You can check it easily by removing the damper from the bracket. You could probably get away with adding some weight to it as well, never thought about that!
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