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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 06-27-2009, 11:46 AM
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These are the only BMW approved oils according to BMW LL01 specs. Which means that these oils have met the specs and requirements of the "bmw ll 01" oil and BMW recommends the use of them along with the OEM BMW LL01.

Please note that these might not be the only brands or type of oils you can use, but are the "approved by BMW"

BMW Long-life rating LL-01 Approved Synthetic Oils for the US Market:

* Castrol Syntec European Formula SAE 0W-30

* Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40

* Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30

* Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-30

here's the link: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ngineOils.aspx
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These are the only BMW approved oils according to BMW LL01 specs. Which means that these oils have met the specs and requirements of the "bmw ll 01" oil and BMW recommends the use of them along with the OEM BMW LL01.

Please note that these might not be the only brands or type of oils you can use, but are the "approved by BMW"

BMW Long-life rating LL-01 Approved Synthetic Oils for the US Market:

* Castrol Syntec European Formula SAE 0W-30

* Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40

* Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30

* Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-30

here's the link: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ngineOils.aspx
I use Mobile 1

Good thing you were specific about the names... Many people confuse Castrol Syntec here as being the Euro formula. It's not. So be careful when buying Castrol guys!
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i use castrol syntec (synthetic) with no problems
Yes, and many are using dino oils with "no problems". But some of us would prefer an oil that has been tested and is approved by BMW for use in our engines. Hence the title of this thread "BMW approved oils".

BTW: The above list is somewhat dated there are now many other BMW LL-01 (or LL-04) rated oils. Always look at the label, if it has the BMW rating it will say so.
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Hence the title of this thread "BMW approved oils". BTW: The list is somewhat dated
That listing of of BMW-approved motor oils (see attached below) is from January 2008 so, for most of us, it's up to date enough for our oil changes.

Strangely, my engine oil filler cap has "BMW Recommends Castrol " stamped on it, even though BMW approved oils are made by more than just Castrol and especially since some Castrol oils are not BMW approved.

Is there a reason BMW recommends "Castrol" versus some other BMW-approved brand?

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Is there a reason BMW recommends "Castrol" versus some other BMW-approved brand?
Yes...they have a "business" partnership. One hand feeds the other etc...Castrol is the oil that is inside the BMW branded oil containers...they partner with racing...etc. etc. etc.

This link should give you a greater understanding of why CASTROL get's visual "billing" versus some of the other "recommended" brands:
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/gener...tentId=6003234


You can even see that they new Castrol Edge motor oil has BMW approved stamp on it:

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Like I mentioned before:

There may be a lot of brands and oils that are "better than", "comparable", "recommended" etc, etc to BMW LL01 BUT BMW has only approved the brands and grades mentioned above to be used in their engines. It is up to us to use whatever we want.
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These are the only BMW approved oils according to BMW LL01 specs. Which means that these oils have met the specs and requirements of the "bmw ll 01" oil and BMW recommends the use of them along with the OEM BMW LL01.

Please note that these might not be the only brands or type of oils you can use, but are the "approved by BMW"

BMW Long-life rating LL-01 Approved Synthetic Oils for the US Market:

* Castrol Syntec European Formula SAE 0W-30

* Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40

* Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30

* Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-30
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* Castrol Syntec European Formula SAE ; 0W-30 100C viscosity = 12.1

* Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40; 100C viscosity = 14

* Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30; 100C viscosity = 10.3

* Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-30; 100C viscosity = 11.7

A little odd, to me, that these viscosities are not closer for the BMW LL-01 / LL-04 spec...

But whatever...btw; it also looks like a Quaker State oil is meeting BMW LL-01 (!) ...

http://www.hollonoil.com/PDF/PQSFULLSYNTHETICCHART.pdf

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Here is a list of other LL-01 rated oils. (many are not in the US market)

Tradename-------------Viscosity----------Manufacturer/Supplier

ADDINOL Super power MV 0537 SAE 5W-30 Addinol Lube Oil GmbH
Agip Formula LL B 01 SAE 0W-30 ENI S.p.A.Refining and Marketing Division
Agip Sint 2000 Evolution SAE 5W-40 ENI S.p.A.Refining and Marketing Division
Agip TECSINT SL SAE 5W-40 ENI S.p.A.Refining and Marketing Division
Aral SuperTronic SAE 5W-30 Aral
AXCL S-Class Motor Oil SAE 0W-30 AXCL Gulf FZE
Visco 7000 SAE 0W-40 BP Oil International
BP Visco 7000 Special SAE 0W-30 BP Oil International
BP Visco 7000 SAE 0W-40 BP Oil International
SBS 5.0 "Longlife-01" BMW AG - TIS 26.12.2004 21:36Formula SLX LL01 SAE 0W-30 Castrol Limited
Castrol Formula SLX Turbo Diesel SAE 0W-30 Castrol Limited
Castrol Formula RS Power and Protection SAE 0W-40 Castrol Limited
Castrol Syntec SAE 0W-30 Castrol Limited
Castrol Super Racing 0W-40 SAE 0W-40 Castrol Limited
Castrol TXT Softec LL01 SAE 5W-30 Castrol Limited
Cepsa Star Mega Synthetic SAE 0W-30 Cepsa Lubricantes S.A.
Elf Excellium LDX SAE 0W-30 Total
Formula Ultra AB SAE 5W-30 Shell International Petroleum Company
Gulf Formula TLX SAE 0W-30 Total
Havoline Synthetic BM SAE 0W-30 Texaco
Igol Process Compact P SAE 5W-30 Igol France S.A.
Jet Top Level SAE 0W-40 ConocoPhillips GmbH
Labo RC SAE 0W-30 Fuchs Labo S.A.
Liqui Moly Longlife High Tech SAE 5W-30 Liqui Moly
megol Motorenöl New Generation SAE 5W-30 Meguin GmbH
Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40 ExxonMobil
Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel SAE 0W-40 ExxonMobil
Motorex Profile B-XL SAE 0W-30 Bucher AG
Motorex Select SP-X SAE 5W-30 Bucher AG
Motul Specific LL-01 SAE 5W-30 Motul S.A:
OMV full syn plus SAE 5W-30 OMV AG
Pennzoil European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30 Pennzoil Quaker State
Pentospeed 0W-30 VS* SAE 0W-30 Deutsche Pentosin-Werke
Petronas Syntium 3000 LL SAE 5W-30 Petronas
Q8 Formula Special SAE 0W-30 Kuwait Petroleum
Quaker State European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30 Pennzoil Quaker State
Satoil LazerWay B SAE 5W-30 Svenska Statoil AB
Shell Helix Ultra AB SAE 5W-30 Shell International Petroleum Company
Titan Supersyn SL SAE 0W-30 Fuchs Petrolub AG
Valvoline SynPower MXL SAE 0W-30 Valvoline
Veedol Powertron LL01 SAE 5W-30 Veedol International
Veedol Syntron SAE 0W-30 Veedol International
Wintershall VIVA 1 Longlife SAE 5W-30 SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH
Yacco VX 1600 SAE 5W-30 Yacco S.A.S. __________________
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* Castrol Syntec European Formula SAE ; 0W-30 100C viscosity = 12.1

* Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40; 100C viscosity = 14

* Pennzoil Platinum European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30; 100C viscosity = 10.3

* Valvoline SynPower SAE 5W-30; 100C viscosity = 11.7

A little odd, to me, that these viscosities are not closer for the BMW LL-01 / LL-04 spec...

But whatever...btw; it also looks like a Quaker State oil is meeting BMW LL-01 (!) ...

http://www.hollonoil.com/PDF/PQSFULLSYNTHETICCHART.pdf


Not regular Valvoline Synpower, Valvoline MST Synpower 5w30 or Synpower 5w40. Valvoline MST Synpower 5w30 is for BMW LL 01 and 04 requirements and is very difficult to find.
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I just run Castrol Edge 10W-60 (Australian formula which IIRC is the same as euro formula) and it seems to love it.

I did the first engine flush using Valvoline Maxlife and Liqui-Moly engine flush when I first got the car, because the previous owner was buying some god-awful supermarket no-name brand oil and putting that crap in it
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Is running Mobil 1 10w30 a bad idea. I'm doing just that along with I bet about half the people on this BBS.
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Is running Mobil 1 10w30 a bad idea. I'm doing just that along with I bet about half the people on this BBS.
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I run 0w40; it gets cold in Mass. too so it's probably not a bad idea to drop the winter rating some from the 10 for cold startup reliability.
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Two points that I find interesting:

1) BMW recommends only API "SM" rated oils, yet Castrol Syntec European Formula 0w-30 is an "SL" rated oil.

2) The ACEA 3 and 4 ratings, along with the LL01 are basically issues of the oil staying in grade, during the long 15,000 mile oil change interval. (one reason why you will notice that both the BMW branded 5w-30 synthetic and Castrol Syntec 0w-30 are both very thick 30 weight oils if you read their spec sheets...so after 15k miles of use, they can still fall with the 30 weight range)

Since most owners dump their oil long before the 15,000 mile point, it is probably not a huge sin to use non LL01 rated 5w-30 rated synthetic oils. And interestingly enough, up until a couple years ago, if you called BMWNA customer service, they would actually tell you that any 5w-30 synthetic was fine in most of there non M cars.

Me? I still prefer to follow BMW recommendations, and stick with an LL01 rated oil.
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Not regular Valvoline Synpower, Valvoline MST Synpower 5w30 or Synpower 5w40. Valvoline MST Synpower 5w30 is for BMW LL 01 and 04 requirements and is very difficult to find.
Probably do not want to use an LL04 oil in an engine not designed for it. LL04 is blended for fuel saving unlike LL01. This is a cool graphic to play with on various oils.
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/.../PC/index.html
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Yes...they have a "business" partnership. One hand feeds the other etc...Castrol is the oil that is inside the BMW branded oil containers...they partner with racing...etc. etc. etc.

This link should give you a greater understanding of why CASTROL get's visual "billing" versus some of the other "recommended" brands:
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/gener...tentId=6003234


You can even see that they new Castrol Edge motor oil has BMW approved stamp on it:

Where are you finding the 4 liter jugs? That would be way more convenient than dealing with individual bottles!
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Probably do not want to use an LL04 oil in an engine not designed for it. LL04 is blended for fuel saving unlike LL01. This is a cool graphic to play with on various oils.
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/.../PC/index.html
Ll-01 FE, (not LL-04) is the Fuel Economy oil. LL-04 is an update of the standard and recommended for newer BMW's. Valvoline has a synthetic 5w50 oil that is BMW LL-04 rated, I doubt that it was formulated to save fuel.
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Is LL-01 FE a subset of the LL-01 standard and part of the recommended list for use in our cars or is it a different standard for different cars?
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Probably do not want to use an LL04 oil in an engine not designed for it. LL04 is blended for fuel saving unlike LL01. This is a cool graphic to play with on various oils.
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Actually, you can use the lower ash LL-04 oil without problems...but why not just stick to LL-01 for now? Unless you are in northern europe, that is.

Longlife-04 oils
These have been developed to guarantee an optimum service life for the particulate filter in diesel engines. These oils are stipulated for all diesel engines with particulate filter, but may also be used in almost all other BMW engines.
Longlife-04 oils are not required to be used in BMW spark-ignition engines in countries outside Europe (EU plus Switzerland, Norway and Liechtenstein).

Longlife-01 oils
The quality of these oils is comparable to that of Longlife-04 (but has a higher ash content). This is well reflected in the Lubrizol chart that gtxragtop referenced...

Longlife-01 FE oils
Because of their particularly low viscosity, these oils are able to favourably influence fuel consumption. However, they are only to be used in engines that have been specially designed to run with such low viscosity oils (spark-ignition engines with Valvetronic).

Longlife-98 oils
Satisfy specific requirements for extended oil change intervals that were introduced in 1998. Their quality is no longer adequate for the current range of spark-ignition and diesel engines.

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I was asking about the LL01 FE vs the LL01, not LL04 .

I'm pretty much stuck with Mobil 1 0w40 anyways, it's hard to get anything else. I usually clean out the entire stock of two Canadian Tire stores when I change my oil
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