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Old 11-18-2011, 09:14 PM
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Oh I see, I go through those phases too. LMK if you want those exhaust hangers btw...

If you feel that something must be done, approaching HR would be a good thing to do as to not affect your employment. I have a feeling that she needs help (or at least a little encouragement) to go to HR otherwise she wouldn't be telling you all of the details....
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:17 PM
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This sounds like Joe Paterno's situation.

Not quite as bad, but you get the idea...
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:22 PM
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yeah, the one having the issues should be the one to make the call to hr. just let her know that, in as nice a way as possible, and that it does no good to tell you all of this stuff as you are not in a position to actually *do* anything about it.

maybe she is just a little insecure?? maybe she knows that you and this other guy do not get along and that maybe she hopes you'll decide to do something??

as for getting changed, don't you guys have restrooms at work??


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Old 11-18-2011, 09:30 PM
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It's my view that you should not get tangled up in this mess. The female employee has to make the decision to involve human resources on her own terms. It may be her choice to keep it to herself (and you, apparently). When it involves a person's employment, you have to let them call the shots.

If she approaches you about this again, tell her that she needs to report it to human resources. I'm not saying what is going on isn't seriously f'ed up, though, but I wouldn't get any more involved. The only way I could see it making sense for you to contact HR would be if Bill's actions are making it difficult for you to do your job.
Actually, I think it's reached the tipping point where he should report it. Last time we visited this topic he just suspected there was some unfairness about shifts due to some texting. Now that there are comments in the open, it's a little different.


To be a "victim" of sexual harassment, you do *not* have to be the actual victim, just have heard it and be made uncomfortable by it. Yes, it's strictly confidential, and HR would get in enormous trouble if they were to let it slip to the guy it was you.

Franklyn, if you're getting complaints from other girls, and it's bugging you, that's "creating a hostile work environment" and you are then absolutely fine in reporting it. If you are sure the girls are credible, I'd tell HR exactly what you said here - and make sure you state that you are being told this by the girls, not that you are witnessing it. You don't want to be liable for libel later on.
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:38 PM
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damn franklyn I remmeber back in the day i used to work for finish line and the scumbag manager used to do the same thing, I contacted HR told them everything I knew and before i Knew it there was a new manager , no one ever spoke about it or said why the old manager got fired but I knew why it happened

also Karl Idk about the e34 but on the e46 those springs go real LOW Post some pics when its done
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:44 PM
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Actually, I think it's reached the tipping point where he should report it. Last time we visited this topic he just suspected there was some unfairness about shifts due to some texting. Now that there are comments in the open, it's a little different.


To be a "victim" of sexual harassment, you do *not* have to be the actual victim, just have heard it and be made uncomfortable by it. Yes, it's strictly confidential, and HR would get in enormous trouble if they were to let it slip to the guy it was you.

Franklyn, if you're getting complaints from other girls, and it's bugging you, that's "creating a hostile work environment" and you are then absolutely fine in reporting it. If you are sure the girls are credible, I'd tell HR exactly what you said here - and make sure you state that you are being told this by the girls, not that you are witnessing it. You don't want to be liable for libel later on.
i could see this possibly being a case to make a report, i must have misunderstood the scope of the issue.

i agree with chad, though, be very clear with hr in regards to your report.


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Actually, I think it's reached the tipping point where he should report it. Last time we visited this topic he just suspected there was some unfairness about shifts due to some texting. Now that there are comments in the open, it's a little different.


To be a "victim" of sexual harassment, you do *not* have to be the actual victim, just have heard it and be made uncomfortable by it. Yes, it's strictly confidential, and HR would get in enormous trouble if they were to let it slip to the guy it was you.

Franklyn, if you're getting complaints from other girls, and it's bugging you, that's "creating a hostile work environment" and you are then absolutely fine in reporting it. If you are sure the girls are credible, I'd tell HR exactly what you said here - and make sure you state that you are being told this by the girls, not that you are witnessing it. You don't want to be liable for libel later on.
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i could see this possibly being a case to make a report, i must have misunderstood the scope of the issue.

i agree with chad, though, be very clear with hr in regards to your report.


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These guys are right Franklyn, calling sexual harassment does not have to be done by the recipient of the abuse. It still counts as harassment by ANYONE forced to work in or around these situations.
Regardless of HR maintaining confidentiality or not, an anonymous complaint of harassment is a VERY common occurrence and any corporation will follow up accordingly. Especially when they choose not to, additional calls to newspapers and news shows tends to see at least a few inquiring phone calls. (Note: calling the press should only ever be a final recourse if nothing is done by the corporation).
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:49 PM
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Franklyn,

I know I'm new here....but I hope you don't mind me jumping in. I'm sorry that you are faced with this dilemma....it sucks that you are put into the middle.

I agree with some of the other posters that you should consider acting on this. However, I would suggest that you do the following...

-Meet with your co-worker outside of work (heck, even if it's in the parking lot) where you both can speak freely without being overheard
-Express your concern and that you'd like to see the matter reported to HR
-From there...there are several different options that you can discuss with her:
1. She goes in solo
2. She goes in with you as moral support (which she may be alluding to by confiding in you)
3. You report it without her
4. She lets it slide (which would be unfortunate, as this jerk may be doing similar things to other women)

However, I would not suggest you reporting it without telling her. If regardless of who reports it, HR is liable, by federal law, to act on any reported alleged sexual harassment incidents. By reporting it, she will be very likely questioned and this could be painful or uncomfortable....particularly if the accuser is the vindictive type. So from my point of view, it would harder on her if she is caught unawares by the sudden investigation by HR. Maybe this is overkill for your particular situation, just another opinion.

Please let us know how it turns out. Good luck.

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Old 11-18-2011, 10:55 PM
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New with 9k posts? What did you do, hijack Ken's posts while he was sleeping?
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:01 PM
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:09 PM
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Actually its .6% of my posts.

Its not the post count that makes you smart around here anyways.

Hell...Amber needed a replacement anyways.
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:39 PM
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i cant the t-stat out of the head

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and its breaking on me -_- HELP!!!
Take a small slot screwdriver, and tap it downwards. The T-stat should pop right out. Yes, tap it, that's all it should take.
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Pry that shiitter out. You might have to destroy it, I did. But no big deal, just try to not get too much crap down the coolant passage.

I think I even drilled at it, if I remember correctly
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Pry that shiitter out. You might have to destroy it, I did. But no big deal, just try to not get too much crap down the coolant passage.

I think I even drilled at it, if I remember correctly
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Thanks guys
Just finished, it was breaking when i tried prying it out, came out in two pieces

gasket was fugly

now my car can finally warm up (hopefully
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went for a test drive
all is good

come home check coolant it there was none ( topped off after i finished job to cold line)

start car again rev engine a couple times
needle starts creeping up instant shut off

Tell me what to doooo
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