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Old 04-20-2012, 10:28 AM
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:30 AM
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There's autocross right near me this Sunday and the next. I really wanna go this Sunday, but I don't know if I'll be ready. I guess I can just put the new tires on the rear before doing the camber arms. I can't do that much damage at one autocross.

Plus, for some reason, season registration ($30) is only required if you're less than 18 yrs old. It's $5 off autocross each week (normally $35). So it's not a big deal about the money, I just don't wanna be stuck there Sunday morning doing a bunch of paperwork and crap. I'll have to call them and see if I can get season registration forms early.


Also, they require that the battery has to be tied down... Mine's not tied down, but it's in that little compartment. Shouldn't that be fine? It's not going anywhere.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:31 AM
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Yeah yeah. One thing I've noticed about mi'otters is the people that make fun of them (not tongue-in-cheek, but actually not liking them) have never driven one on a curvy road. The smile even a stock miata brings to your face when you're just running that tiny, peppy little motor out for every ounce it has to give you can't be replaced.

A 260+hp M3 is great, as are all kinds of cars with way more power, but you can never really use it 99% of the time. Either you're in traffic and its dangerous, or you're breaking the speed limit and its still fairly dangerous. I could launch my miata from a stoplight, redline it in every gear, practice my late braking and throttle points through a corner, and NO ONE in traffic would notice me. Less power = more fun more of the time, as long as its the right car.

Ummmm


You could always just not floor a faster car, and it'll be the same speed as a ghey Miata




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I dunno but its still in there this year. If my memory serves me correctly they used to specify a maximum tire size of 245 or 255 in STX, but allow up to 275 in STU. Which is why I felt the M3 was so outclassed in there. Obviously if you pit a RWD, 240hp M3 on 245s against a cracked out gagillion HP STI on 275s, the STI might have a slight advantage unless it sucks a cone into the turbo while on course.

Maybe they discuss tire and power limits somewhere else, but that document is such a nightmare to navigate.

So, what classes are these for? Auto X or specific road courses?

What would a car like mine be in?
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:39 AM
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Implying it's slow?
I haven't driven another BMW so I wouldn't be able to compare it to them. Bt coming from a POS Saturn SC2 and a Honda accord..it's a lot faster haha. And I probably won't track my car, he's getting a tt supra and he's got that turbo S2000 for me to destroy.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:43 AM
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i wanted a mini bad after driving an old gf's stripped-down base mini. wasnt the fastest but damn did it handle.

consumer reports isnt too nice on the reliability of the minis though, especially the S/C versions.
Yeah, the S/C makes doing anything simple in that tiny engine bay WAY more complicated. I've helped replace the intake boot from the SC to the throttle body and we had to take the front bumper off. Just awful. Also, changing the clutch apparently involves disassembling the entire car.

Still find myself sort of wanting one every once in a while despite knowing all that.

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Ummmm


You could always just not floor a faster car, and it'll be the same speed as a ghey Miata


So, what classes are these for? Auto X or specific road courses?

What would a car like mine be in?
I dunno, its just not the same. There's something really fun about ragging a slow car out. Not flooring a faster car means you're just driving, which isn't really any fun at all. To quote James May from the last season of Top Gear, its when you're approaching the limit of grip and control where things become actually interesting. A ghey miata on 195/50/15s approaches the limit of grip at way more normal speeds, where as my M3 needs to be going something illegal to do the same.

Obviously, because I dumped my miata and kept the M, they dont do THAT much for me, but I do get why people are really into them, and I would definitely consider a car with similar characteristics as a DD.

That classing is specific for SCCA Solo Autocrosses. Each organization and each type of racing has its own classing system. Your car might be in some sort of SM class because of the aspiration change. The easiest way to find out is to join your local SCCA forum and just ask the guys that know the rules inside and out by posting the specs of your car. Its hard to class a car competitively, usually you need to have a class in mind when you start modding to really be competitive. If I was going to AX for the competition of it instead of just for fun I'd either do an STU STI or (cheaper) one of the 3 or 4 classes you can build a miata for.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:44 AM
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Sorry Karl, I don't get it.
It's just a friendly jab about convertibles being heavy. There's going to be lots of body roll and understeer going on. It'll definitely be better than a Saturn SC2, though.

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Also, they require that the battery has to be tied down... Mine's not tied down, but it's in that little compartment. Shouldn't that be fine? It's not going anywhere.
Nope, they absolutely will not let you run. You won't pass tech inspection, and it's pass/fail. Even though the battery is in that compartment, you still definitely want it tied down. A 45lb. battery can do some serious damage.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:45 AM
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:47 AM
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Yeah, the S/C makes doing anything simple in that tiny engine bay WAY more complicated. I've helped replace the intake boot from the SC to the throttle body and we had to take the front bumper off. Just awful. Also, changing the clutch apparently involves disassembling the entire car.

Still find myself sort of wanting one every once in a while despite knowing all that.



I dunno, its just not the same. There's something really fun about ragging a slow car out. Not flooring a faster car means you're just driving, which isn't really any fun at all. To quote James May from the last season of Top Gear, its when you're approaching the limit of grip and control where things become actually interesting. A ghey miata on 195/50/15s approaches the limit of grip at way more normal speeds, where as my M3 needs to be going something illegal to do the same.

Obviously, because I dumped my miata and kept the M, they dont do THAT much for me, but I do get why people are really into them, and I would definitely consider a car with similar characteristics as a DD.

That classing is specific for SCCA Solo Autocrosses. Each organization and each type of racing has its own classing system. Your car might be in some sort of SM class because of the aspiration change. The easiest way to find out is to join your local SCCA forum and just ask the guys that know the rules inside and out by posting the specs of your car. Its hard to class a car competitively, usually you need to have a class in mind when you start modding to really be competitive. If I was going to AX for the competition of it instead of just for fun I'd either do an STU STI or (cheaper) one of the 3 or 4 classes you can build a miata for.

Ah I gotcha, so where do I find these forums? Just search SCCA in PA?

I know what you mean about ragging out slow cars, it is kinda fun




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It's just a friendly jab about convertibles being heavy. There's going to be lots of body roll and understeer going on. It'll definitely be better than a Saturn SC2, though.



Nope, they absolutely will not let you run. You won't pass tech inspection, and it's pass/fail. Even though the battery is in that compartment, you still definitely want it tied down.

Interesting, my car didn't have a tie down on it when I bought it. Where would I find one? Or are they pretty universal like most batteries?
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:48 AM
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:50 AM
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And I definitely know about ragging out slow cars. My Saturn was awful. I beat my friends Scion TC TRD edition in a drag though lol. He was mad.
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Nope, they absolutely will not let you run. You won't pass tech inspection, and it's pass/fail. Even though the battery is in that compartment, you still definitely want it tied down.
Alright. Looks like it's time to bust out the gigantic zipties


The thing that's really pissing me off is the info on their site. This is taken from the regulations:

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Minimum age to compete is 18 years old for non club member participants and 16 years old for paid club members (any club members 16 and 17 years old must be accompanied by a paid member parent and have a waiver signed by said parent prior to competing). All drivers must have a valid driver’s license. (We do check!)
OK, so I go to look at club membership:

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1. You must be over 18 years old.
2. You will need a current Voting C.A.R.T. member to sponsor you.
I'm not 18, and I don't know any CART members...

The worst part is that when I go to the forum to ask what's up with this, my email address was banned

So I pop in a secondary email and now it's telling me I have to wait for admin approval before I can post. This is becoming more work than it's worth. I can just go find an empty parking lot to hoon around in for free.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:54 AM
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Ah I gotcha, so where do I find these forums? Just search SCCA in PA?

I know what you mean about ragging out slow cars, it is kinda fun







Interesting, my car didn't have a tie down on it when I bought it. Where would I find one? Or are they pretty universal like most batteries?
Yeah, mine is like brr-scca.com or something. Not sure what your group would be. Step 1 is joining the club (like $40/year) and getting acquainted. Most reigons seem to have their own forums and they will make sure you class the car properly so there are no surprises come tech time.

You car would be a handful on the autocross course. I've never driven a turbo straight-six bimmer. Is there a drastic transition between no boost and boost like a modded evo or is a little smoother because of the natural torque of the bigger motor? At an autocross the car is rarely in a straight line, so knowing your throttle points is a big part of the battle, and dealing with the chassis getting unsettled when TEH BOOSTZ kicks in adds another layer to the party.

....If I come to PA can I co-drive?
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Interesting, my car didn't have a tie down on it when I bought it. Where would I find one? Or are they pretty universal like most batteries?
They're not universal per se. Some work by clamping over the top of the battery, but the E36 tie-down is just a little tab which holds onto the cleat on the bottom edge of the battery. The cleat shape is pretty universal, since the same method is used by many battery & car manufacturers, but the way the tie down screws into the car itself varies from car to car. That said, it would probably be very easy to make your own tie down by purchasing a bolt that fits from a hardware store along with some kind of flat steel. You could probably just cut a 2" length of flat steel, drill a hole in it, and run the bolt through the flat steel into the car.
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Old 04-20-2012, 10:56 AM
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Yeah, mine is like brr-scca.com or something. Not sure what your group would be. Step 1 is joining the club (like $40/year) and getting acquainted. Most reigons seem to have their own forums and they will make sure you class the car properly so there are no surprises come tech time.

You car would be a handful on the autocross course. I've never driven a turbo straight-six bimmer. Is there a drastic transition between no boost and boost like a modded evo or is a little smoother because of the natural torque of the bigger motor? At an autocross the car is rarely in a straight line, so knowing your throttle points is a big part of the battle, and dealing with the chassis getting unsettled when TEH BOOSTZ kicks in adds another layer to the party.

....If I come to PA can I co-drive?
Like this? http://www.scca-cpr.org/cms/index.php


Yea it wouldn't be great on an autocross course but still fun! My turbo setup doesn't spool really quick, but if I keep it in high rpms, it will be just fine. It's definitely smoother hitting than EVOs and STIs, those things spool almost instantly.

Sure man

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Yea it wouldn't be great on an autocross course but still fun! My turbo setup doesn't spool really quick, but if I keep it in high rpms, it will be just fine. It's definitely smoother hitting than EVOs and STIs, those things spool almost instantly.

Sure man

How far are you from 17257?
Yeah, exactly like that.

Holy crap, you're in Shippensburg? That's only 2 hours from me.

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG I totally need to come up and drive your car sometime.
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I'm parked next to a bone stock RX330 in the traditional boring Lexus beige............on Volk TE37s.


WTF?



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So apparently the toll road in my area is shut down for some reason, my commute to work was like a funhouse mirror version of itself. First some girl in a Camry almost killed me by not signaling. Then I'm trying to get on the highway and its beyond congested with a wide load truck trying to merge on at the same time. I'm sitting in the middle lane hanging in 3rd gear trying to get into the left lane, and I've got just enough room but this newish Explorer accelerates to close the gap. WTF. I look over at him and he's flicking ME off. No. I briefly see red mist and when I merge I'm too close to him and honk at him. (This was wrong of me, I have too short of a temper, kids, don't be like me.)

Anyway, he completely flew off the handle at that. He was screaming in his rear view, then he merges back over to get next to me and is screaming out the window for me to pull over so he can kick my ass (40 year old guy, professional polo shirt, going to his mid level job in one of these corporate centers around here). I just end up screaming back at the asshat. I hope someone blocks him out the next 500 times he tries to merge.

Also, I need to take a chill pill with the road rage, and I wonder if my boss would let me leave at 3 and work two more hours from home so I don't have to deal with this traffic trainwreck of a day again.

Did I ever tell you how much I hate people? This is why.

Just the other day some dumb bitch in a new explorer was trying to merge into me, when there had been signs for miles stating that the right lane is closed ahead. Of course though she had to go flying past all the other cars and try to pop in up front. Not happening on my watch. I used the hips of my truck and blocked that bitch off. And to add icing on the cake, I politely told her through my PA to screw off and try again next time truck FTMFDKW!

Its one thing to be unable to merge because of a roadblock or something, but its completely different when you see a line of cars a mile long and 6 signs saying "right lane closed ahead"
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They're not universal per se. Some work by clamping over the top of the battery, but the E36 tie-down is just a little tab which holds onto the cleat on the bottom edge of the battery. The cleat shape is pretty universal, since the same method is used by many battery & car manufacturers, but the way the tie down screws into the car itself varies from car to car. That said, it would probably be very easy to make your own tie down by purchasing a bolt that fits from a hardware store along with some kind of flat steel. You could probably just cut a 2" length of flat steel, drill a hole in it, and run the bolt through the flat steel into the car.
Gotcha, I'll have to source one, the factory style that is.
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Yeah, exactly like that.

Holy crap, you're in Shippensburg? That's only 2 hours from me.

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG I totally need to come up and drive your car sometime.
Yea man, that's cool. A few of us drive to Hagerstown sometimes to check out the car scene (tons of modded honda's )

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Did I ever tell you how much I hate people? This is why.

Just the other day some dumb bitch in a new explorer was trying to merge into me, when there had been signs for miles stating that the right lane is closed ahead. Of course though she had to go flying past all the other cars and try to pop in up front. Not happening on my watch. I used the hips of my truck and blocked that bitch off. And to add icing on the cake, I politely told her through my PA to screw off and try again next time truck FTMFDKW!

Its one thing to be unable to merge because of a roadblock or something, but its completely different when you see a line of cars a mile long and 6 signs saying "right lane closed ahead"
Lol my S10 had a PA speaker
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Yeah, i hate people who wait for the last moment to merge. The first day with my BMW driving it back home after buying it some lady just started merging into my lane. I had to switch lanes lest she run over me and the new car.

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Yea man, that's cool. A few of us drive to Hagerstown sometimes to check out the car scene (tons of modded honda's )



Lol my S10 had a PA speaker
Yeah man, lemme know anytime you're headed this way. If you ever find yourself in the DC area lemme know too. If I dont see you before then I'm sure I'll see you at bimmerfest east this year.
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