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Old 07-03-2009, 03:54 PM
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iphone 3GS won't play music with snap in adapter on '09 328i

So I went to the dealer today and picked up the smartphone snap in adapter. That should allow me to 1) charge my phone 2) play my ipod music from my iphone 3) use bluetooth 4) improve the cell phone reception.

OK. I snap it in (AFTER removing my iskin solo case ) it fits tightly. Bluetooth-check Charging-check Reception-fine (can't really tell a difference). Playing music from ipod portion of iphone-NO check

What? My old (non charging) Y cable at least played my music from my iphone. I've got the iphone in the adapter tightly. Push the audio button to see radio,sat etc...but the AUX and USB are not available. I understand the AUX and USB plugs are not being used, but with the snap in adapter there's no way to plug them into that and I thought that was the whole point of the snap in adapter.

What am I missing??? Help please.
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Old 07-03-2009, 04:16 PM
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So I think I'm screwed. I think the smartphone integration adapter doesn't allow you to play music through your phone.

So here's what I guess I'll have to do. Keep my snap in adapter for a secure fit and good charge and good cell phone reception.

Use my old 4th gen ipod with the Y cable (that SHOULD work, right???) to play my music. Yes it does, I checked.

Or, I return the snap in adapter and buy the Griffin converter to allow my 3GS phone to charge, play music and bluetooth using the Y cable.

Man, what a pain! I'm learning the nuances of BMW...not that my volvo is any better with this stuff.
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Old 07-03-2009, 04:48 PM
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I give up. I decided it's too confusing to have the ipod and the iphone in the center armrest. Plus I would have to unplug the USB to the ipod when I turn the car off because it is still charging when I turn the car off (the ipod that is). Plus I don't want to remove my case all the time to use the snap in adapter. It is a nice snug fit and looks good, but the fact that it won't play music is a huge downer. No way I'm going for that. VERY misleading when they sell that option.

I just ordered the cablejive adapter for $33. That will solve all my problems, unless BMW comes out with a new Y cable that they want to give me (they did give me the first one).
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I agree it is lame that BMW advertises all this iPhone connectivity and it does not work properly.
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:31 PM
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So I went to the dealer today and picked up the smartphone snap in adapter. That should allow me to 1) charge my phone 2) play my ipod music from my iphone 3) use bluetooth 4) improve the cell phone reception.

OK. I snap it in (AFTER removing my iskin solo case ) it fits tightly. Bluetooth-check Charging-check Reception-fine (can't really tell a difference). Playing music from ipod portion of iphone-NO check

What? My old (non charging) Y cable at least played my music from my iphone. I've got the iphone in the adapter tightly. Push the audio button to see radio,sat etc...but the AUX and USB are not available. I understand the AUX and USB plugs are not being used, but with the snap in adapter there's no way to plug them into that and I thought that was the whole point of the snap in adapter.

What am I missing??? Help please.


You have the wrong adapter. There are two Iphone adapters, one is designed for folk who don't have the Smartphone option. PN: 84 10 9 182 792. This adapter lets you charge and use the shark fin but doesn't let you play music.

The adapter for the smartphone is PN: 84 10 9 164 213 for the 2G phone and 84 21 2 151 043 for the 3G phone. That adapter will allow you to play music.
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Old 07-04-2009, 08:13 AM
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Another layer of confusion! Yes, I did get PN 84 10 9 182 792. This is what the dealer gave me. Not what I want.

I need 84 21 2 151 043 for my 3GS iphone to charge and play music. Haven't decided yet what I'll do yet. May just stick with the Y cable with converter.

Thank you for the clarification.
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... Plus I would have to unplug the USB to the ipod when I turn the car off because it is still charging when I turn the car off (the ipod that is). ...
Actually, no. It turns off shortly after the ignition is turned off. Safe on the battery.
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Had the same problem as you.

THERE ARE TWO iPHONE ADAPTERS. If you snap a 3G or 3GS into the "1.0"(says this on the backside of the adapter), it does one of two things: 1) no music plays, 2) gets stuck and doesn't eject

You need to go to to the dealer and get the new adapter for iPhone 3G/3GS.

The old adapter has a small square eject button, and when the iPhone is in it, it's completely flush. The new adaptor has a long and wide eject button, and isn't as flush as the first one. I'll have to take pics of both and post later.
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Old 07-05-2009, 12:16 AM
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Er, Mike, I already gave him the correct part numbers above. He knows he has the wrong cradle now.
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Old 07-16-2009, 10:34 PM
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I picked up my new 2009 335i on Monday. (Ordered it in Mid-May and got it in mid-July which was good timing as my 2006 went back last week.)

The fleet manager, who handled my sale, told me she would get me the adapter for a discount once I got my new iPhone 3G S (coming off a bold). So, I went back today, and we went into the parts department. We were told by the parts people that BMW has to issue a new sled for the 3G S.

It seems from this thread that this is an error? Can anyone confirm the part listed in this thread does work on the 3G S?

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Old 07-17-2009, 10:25 AM
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There has been no physical size/dimension change or pinout change from 3G to 3GS, so I see no reason why the sled would change.
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It is amazing what a mess BMW has made of ordering these cradles.
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I agree that the size and shape of the 3G S being identical should make the 3G cradle work for the 3G S, but the SA told me that it doesn't. I could imagine changes to how the iPhone works that would cause this, but I am skeptical of that.

However, since others in these forums are close to having the cradle and 3G S phones over the next week, I'm going to wait a bit before jumping in.
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However, since others in these forums are close to having the cradle and 3G S phones over the next week, I'm going to wait a bit before jumping in.
Hey! I resemble that remark.
I'll post my results as soon as I have them.
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Not to stir the pot, but I've been wrastling with this issue myself. I actually found a different part number for the Snap in Cradle at Bavarian Autospot - 84 21 2 151 038

Any idea what that one actually is?

From what I read on these forums (and this thread), I need to buy 84 21 2 151 043 so that my 3G will work correctly. I already have smartphone integration et al in car. Am I missing something?
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Not to stir the pot, but I've been wrastling with this issue myself. I actually found a different part number for the Snap in Cradle at Bavarian Autospot - 84 21 2 151 038

Any idea what that one actually is?
I believe this is the adapter you use if you do not have the smartphone integration option in the car.

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From what I read on these forums (and this thread), I need to buy 84 21 2 151 043 so that my 3G will work correctly. I already have smartphone integration et al in car. Am I missing something?
You need the 043 part since you have smartphone integration. This link lists all the different options: http://tinyurl.com/ncrtlp

Here's what they have listed:

Apple iPhone 3G Snap-In Adapter
  • iPhone 3G adapter for cars without smartphone integration (PN: 84 21 2 151 038)
Apple iPhone Snap in Adapter
  • iPhone adapter for cars without smartphone integration (PN: 84 10 9 182 792)
Apple iPhone USB Snap-In Adapter for BMW Smart Phone (For vehicles produced from 09/08 on)
  • Apple iPhone USB Snap In Adapter for BMW Smart Phone (PN: 84 10 9 164 213)
  • Apple iPhone 3G USB Snap In Adapter for BMW Smart Phone (PN: 84 21 2 151 043)


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2009 Z4 iPhone integration

I just leased a 2009 Z4 that didn't come with the smartphone integration. I have the original iPhone 2G Edge-My dealer says I need these parts: 84 10 9 164 213 and 51 16 9 181 373. Any comments. Will this permit me to control the iphone music through the headunit and using the steering wheel controls? Also, does anyone have installation instructions? Thanks.
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I just leased a 2009 Z4 that didn't come with the smartphone integration. I have the original iPhone 2G Edge-My dealer says I need these parts: 84 10 9 164 213 and 51 16 9 181 373. Any comments. Will this permit me to control the iphone music through the headunit and using the steering wheel controls? Also, does anyone have installation instructions? Thanks.
The part number ending in 213 is the iPhone (the original one) cradle for cars WITH smartphone integration. I don't believe your dealer knows what they're talking about. I could, of course be wrong, but I believe the correct cradle you need is:

Apple iPhone Snap in Adapter

  • iPhone adapter for cars without smartphone integration (PN: 84 10 9 182 792)
Check out the link in my post prior to yours. Or this link directly:
http://accessories.bmwusa.com/ItemVi...productId=2455

The other part, 51 16 9 181 373, is labeled as "Cover Telephone" and appears to be the piece that the iPhone (or any other smartphone cradle) snaps in to. See the diagram (#9) here:
http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E8...entre_console/

It says it's for vehicles with:
Prep., Smartphone Bluetooth USB/audio (S6NFA) = Yes
Or
Preparation f mobile phone cpl. USA/CDN (S639A) = Yes

I don't know much about Z4s. However, if you don't have either one of those options, then I am guessing no amount of adapters will help.

Good luck!
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The parts manager at my dealer actually called the BMW parts Helpline to get the information and he called them back while I was there and I was able to ask some questions. It looks like if there's an issue with the part number its with BMW support people. The bottom line for me is that I won't be able to play music through the cradle because I don't have the smartphone pre-wired from the factory. It would charge and connect to the antenna but that's not really my issue. So I'm going for the separate ipod/iphone cable install in the glove box. That is supposed to let me control the iphone from the steering wheel through the headunit. That cable is on back order however because of a manufacturing problem with BMW's supplier. So I'll wait a few months. Does anyone have installation instructions for the ipod cable in the Z4? Thanks.
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(This is a repeat post from the other forum thread along these lines - sorry for those seeing it twice.)

Hi all,

Just wanted to update from 5 minutes of testing I just did with the new iPod Touch/iPhone software released on Wednesday, 9/9. Everything is working including fixing the Touch.

I have a 2009 335i with the iPod adapter and the smartphone integration option + the correct snap in adapter to accept the iPhone 3G/3GS and work with the smartphone option.

iPhone 3GS, 3.1 software. Works fine with the snap in adapter and the iPod cable. Both give me the "Incompatible" message which can be dismissed or allowed to clear on its own. With the phone in the adapter, the antenna is extended with the roof fin, and I have complete access to the iPhone library of music, playlists, etc. (Remember, to do this, you need to have the iPod cable removed from both the USB and minijacks. You can't just remove an iPod from that cable - they both have to be physically disconnected to allow the snap in adapter to pass through control to the phone. However, you can have the cable in place if you just want to charge the phone and connect it to the antenna.)

iPod Touch 2nd Gen, 3.1.1 software. This is the big news for me. Version 2.1 of the software worked fine, but Version 3.0 did not work at all. I saw this issue both with my car and even using a piece of gym equipment that is supposed to connect to iPods to pass video signals. I haven't tested the gym equipment yet, but I can report the iPod Touch attached to the iPod adapter cable works perfectly - identical to how my 4 gen iPod nano works. Full access to playlists and music. Sounds great.

I've ordered a 3rd Gen iPod Touch and a 5th gen iPod Nano and will report those findings when they arrive. I am hopeful both will work out of the box.

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The fleet manager, who handled my sale, told me she would get me the adapter for a discount once I got my new iPhone 3G S (coming off a bold).

Sorry to go off topic for a bit, but how do you like the iphone compared to the bold? I have the bold, and am really like it, seems like a drastic switch..
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Hi,

The Bold is totally fine. For an email machine, contacts and calendar, I would actually rate it about the iPhone - especially if you are a power email user.

The iPhone is really just a different type of machine. I use it more as a mini-computer. I could clear my inbox on the Bold, but on the iPhone I tend to just be aware of what's there and answer the smaller ones. But I love the better web browsing on the iPhone, the apps (MLB and Sirius are two favorites). I like the text messaging better, and of course it is an iPod so I always have a selection of movies and audio with me.

I won't knock the Bold for sure, but I do like the iPhone better. (And that's with having a total battery issue post the 3.1 upgrade.)

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Is the phone still supposed to be connected through Bluetooth while in the snap-in adapter?

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Yes, even in the adapter, bluetooth is still used to connect to the car for calls and address book transfer. The snap in adapter connects the phone to the external antenna for better reception. If you have the smartphone package, the iPod package and the correct snap in adapter (see the rest of this thread or the related one in this site for the part numbers), then the connection also allows access to any audio stored on the phone. This is accessed from the external devices. To work, you need to have the iPod cable removed from the USB and minijack plugs (even if you don't have an iPod connected to the cable).
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