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Old 07-15-2009, 03:27 PM
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Newbies who are argumentative, insulting, and have no idea what they are talking about have populated this board. Several of the great dealers who have taught us so much are no longer posting and who could blame them ? I think I'm done too.
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:38 PM
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Posting less and less thats for sure...why even bother to be frank and help with questions.... blah
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:51 PM
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Sad but true. They either do not appreciate how much information is shared by the dealers who post here or just want to remind everyone how they saved $9.99 on their last car purchase.
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:56 PM
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Newbies who are argumentative, insulting, and have no idea what they are talking about have populated this board. Several of the great dealers who have taught us so much are no longer posting and who could blame them ? I think I'm done too.
+1. The sad thing is, a lot of the negativity is unncecessary, unproductive, and ultimately scares away positive posts. Why waste time sharing personal experience and knowledge when it is not just unappreciated - but criticized? No wonder some of the prominent sponsors/posters no longer bother to waste their time.

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Old 07-15-2009, 05:02 PM
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Newbies who are argumentative, insulting, and have no idea what they are talking about have populated this board. Several of the great dealers who have taught us so much are no longer posting and who could blame them ? I think I'm done too.
to be fair, im new. Im very sarcastic too, sorry if any of my posts annoyed you.

The newbies that turn up and behave like you mention wont stay long they never do. I've been on plenty of boards as a dealer and its aways the same. Help those that seem like they need it, burn those who dont
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Old 07-15-2009, 05:31 PM
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It would make me very happy if people used the search function and used it thoroughly, before starting a new thread. What a difference that would make.
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Several of the great dealers who have taught us so much are no longer posting and who could blame them ?
I suspect that this has more to do with BMWNA cracking down on publicly disclosing confidential information and less to do with some of the morons who have been posting of late.
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:29 PM
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Newbies who are argumentative, insulting, and have no idea what they are talking about have populated this board. Several of the great dealers who have taught us so much are no longer posting and who could blame them ? I think I'm done too.
+1. i totally agree. this board used to be where one could get technical and other useful info. now, all we have are people posting pics and patting each other on the back for chosing monaco blue. what happened to the DIYers? it seems people cant even check their tire pressure without going to the stealer. LOL

seriously, this is the internet. if you stopped posting in this forum, nobody would notice. why did you waste time with this thread anyway? why not just go? wasted bandwidth........
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:04 PM
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Newbies who are argumentative, insulting, and have no idea what they are talking about have populated this board. Several of the great dealers who have taught us so much are no longer posting and who could blame them ? I think I'm done too.
Couldn't agree more. This is the "Ask the dealer" forum, where dealers would come on and try to help us with our questions. Now they come on here and see people calling them "stealers", demean their profession...can't blame them if they go away. And the irony is that some of the posters on this particular thread who claim to agree with mclaren, are actually some of the most argumentative, negative posters on the 'fest!
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:49 AM
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This is the "Ask the dealer" forum, where dealers would come on and try to help us with our questions. Now they come on here and see people calling them "stealers", demean their profession...can't blame them if they go away. And the irony is that some of the posters on this particular thread who claim to agree with mclaren, are actually some of the most argumentative, negative posters on the 'fest!
yes i agree. the reason why so many people insist that dealer fees and doc fees are non negotiable, is because of the invaluable information that the salesmen er i meant client advisors, provided. theyre more than happy to let us know that those fees are mandatory and if we dont like it, we should go buy a ford because bmw shoppers shouldnt have to haggle over a several hundred bucks.

id also like to commend the service departments at all the bmw stealerships. oh wait, i meant dealerships...... we all know that they would never rip anybody off or overcharge for services that one could possibly do a DIY job on.
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Old 07-16-2009, 07:31 AM
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Newbies who are argumentative, insulting, and have no idea what they are talking about have populated this board. Several of the great dealers who have taught us so much are no longer posting and who could blame them ? I think I'm done too.

You know I was thinking the same thing about a month ago and never thought to post about it. I think the dealers on here especially the loyal and hard working ones like Adrian, Phillipe, Woz, Jeremy, Ivan, JW, ect are getting tired of being beat up by people looking to squeeze blood from a turnip. I really dont blame the dealers for not wanting to spend time here talking to us, but I must admit that I this recent negative attitude from newbies is making me a bit angry because I consider all of the aforementioned dealers good guys, very valuable contributors to the board and even friends in an acquaintance sort of way. I like these guys enough that if I were in their neck of the woods I would drop by just to say hi and talk shop. A little banter and BS ing back and forth is fine when board members know each other....I give Adrian, Phillipe and Ivan a little heckling once in a while, but it is all in good fun. The newbies seem hell bent on getting the car for $500 over invoice, free mats and no doc fees or rate markup. I fully realize these deals happen (they have even happened for me), but reality is that these are the exception not the norm. These guys do have a business to run and will go out of business if they sell everything for zero profit (500 over really is zero profit..lets be honest). I think the newbies do not respect and apprciate the depth of contribution these sponsors and non-sponsor client advisors provide to the board. I hope each of the client advisors (those mentioned and not mentioned) read my post and realize that the majorityof festers do appreciate your contributions and like to see you guys here once in a while even if its just to say
I am confident that I speak for the majority of the festers.

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Old 07-16-2009, 07:42 AM
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You know I was thinking the same thing about a month ago and never thought to post about it. I think the dealers on here especially the loyal and hard working ones like Adrian, Phillipe, Woz, Jeremy, Ivan, JW, ect are getting tired of being beat up by people looking to squeeze blood from a turnip. I really dont blame the dealers for not wanting to spend time here talking to us, but I must admit that I this recent negative attitude from newbies is making me a bit angry because I consider all of the aforementioned dealers good guys, very valuable contributors to the board and even friends in an acquaintance sort of way. I like these guys enough that if I were in their neck of the woods I would drop by just to say hi and talk shop. A little banter and BS ing back and forth is fine when board members know each other....I give Adrian, Phillipe and Ivan a little heckling once in a while, but it is all in good fun. The newbies seem hell bent on getting the car for $500 over invoice, free mats and no doc fees or rate markup. I fully realize these deals happen (they have even happened for me), but reality is that these are the exception not the norm. These guys do have a business to run and will go out of business if they sell everything for zero profit (500 over really is zero profit..lets be honest). I think the newbies do not respect and apprciate the depth of contribution these sponsors and non-sponsor client advisors provide to the board. I hope each of the client advisors (those mentioned and not mentioned) read my post and realize that the majorityof festers do appreciate your contributions and like to see you guys here once in a while even if its just to say
I am confident that I speak for the majority of the festers.

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Old 07-16-2009, 10:07 AM
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Posting less and less thats for sure...why even bother to be frank and help with questions.... blah
Yeah, I'm starting to see a trend of going from relationship based selling/purchasing to transactional based selling/purchasing. Sad, but true.

I've pulled back significantly. I know others have, too. I'm not playing the tit for tat game and then being accused of having an attitude. I'd give my opinion and then get flamed? Uh, no. I have better things to do. It's not worth my time or calories. I will be on the look out for more substantative threads where fest members have legitimate questions and there's quality dialogue. To those of you who troll with nasty things to say about dealers or how much you bled a dealer- you're officially on my ignore list. Please put me on yours.

For a while, it was vehicle histories, then dealer locates... then this brain damage about MMR's and lease buy outs. Enough. And then I've even had some Fester's pit one sponsor against another in a pissing match (forgive my candor) for a deal. Whatever.

I'd rather hang out in the ED forum.

Alpine300ZHP hit it on the nail, btw.

Oh, and one more thing. I've been here since Feb 2003. Yeah, back when TedW at Carbone BMW had in his avatar, "Here to Help," so I know what it's like to go way back and know how great this forum has been and how sad that a few bad apples, err, mooches, can ruin a good thing.

So mclaren, I'm right there with ya, brother.
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I'd rather hang out in the ED forum.
There are still a few of us around who respect and appreciate those honest, hard-working CA’s to whom we are indebted. Thanks to you folks in the know, no other forum out there has such comprehensive and helpful information. But I agree with you, that I would rather hang out in the ED forum as well. I’m getting that itch again…
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Old 07-16-2009, 11:04 AM
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There are still a few of us around who respect and appreciate those honest, hard-working CA’s to whom we are indebted. Thanks to you folks in the know, no other forum out there has such comprehensive and helpful information. But I agree with you, that I would rather hang out in the ED forum as well. I’m getting that itch again…
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I have really appreciated the knowledge and helpfulness of the board sponsors and am disappointed to see how they are being treated by some.
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Old 07-16-2009, 11:15 AM
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Old 07-16-2009, 11:21 AM
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+1 Great information provided by many board the sponsors... Could it be economy is bad that not many people are buying cars and browse less on the board? I notice driving around town that there aren't as many newer BMW around on the road (like the refresh 09' 3 series) when compare to a year or two ago.

I am sure the board sponsor sales are down more than 50% and they are spending more time selling cars in the showroom,…..
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With Ask A Dealer having problems as many of you concur, and I do to. IMO you should have been going to your Dealer, CA for many of the questions to get answers to. Note I said many. and a lot of the B/S would never have come on this forum in the first place to put it in the shape its in.
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Can someone please tell me what actually constitutes being a "newbie?" A certain number of posts? A certain amount of time for ownership?

I fully admit that I am a newbie. New owner for a little over a month (thank you Seatown, the best CA in Washington state!). I wonder if what you are describing isn't limited to this forum. When I got my new 328i, I sent a big shoutout to Seattle BMW and my CA for everything they did for me. I was immediately hit with threads that said: 1) they suspected me of working for the dealer, 2) that I was a "hot" woman and my CA "wanted" me so that's why I got treated so well, and 3) that I could have done better than $450 over invoice (including numerous "stories" of people who got the same car under invoice). It was just amazing. I couldn't believe the number of people who wanted to rain on my parade and question my integrity.

The attitude on the forums isn't limited to the anonymity of the internet. A guy on one of these forums told me about a local BMW group that also meets relatively close to me. I was excited to meet other BMW owners/enthusiasts. Sadly, most of the group were a bunch of 20-something young men who spent their Wednesday evenings swearing, picking on each other and just "hanging out." I was invited to join their website, only to have one of the moderators post a survey whether they should ban me unless I dated one of their members. It was ridiculous. I have a high tolerance for BS..but this was just immature, sexist, and petty. I suspect that these people represent the mindset of the troublemakers on this forum.

To all of you CAs and dealers who are making an honest effort to educate the newbs like myself and sell a quality product, thank you very much. Seatown, thank you again for EVERYTHING. I love this car and I send you good karma every time I drive it.
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:42 PM
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There are still a few of us around who respect and appreciate those honest, hard-working CA’s to whom we are indebted. Thanks to you folks in the know, no other forum out there has such comprehensive and helpful information. But I agree with you, that I would rather hang out in the ED forum as well. I’m getting that itch again…

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I respect Adrian and the other CA's that make this a very knowledgeable and informative board.

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Old 07-16-2009, 02:11 PM
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this is the only other forum I check regularly plus the e60

Adrian: ok to have an attitude, so what

There is more to life and cars than the bottom dollar amount, atleast in this price range.

Pass on the snide remarks, yes i know difficult to do

I like the info provided.

we got the e61 after I read everything here for 8 weeks without a single post

I got a good deal, at a local dealer that is not regarded well at all, but I had the info

the sales guy was very nice, he made some money.

Did not waste our time, one time visit, drove it, did the paperwork and left with it.
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I agree with the majority, I came back a year ago and learned so much from everyone here, sponsers and festers alike. Its a real shame that a few immature newbies just want to come on here and start trouble and don't have anything positive to add. I for one have a few people in mind and they will be on my ignore list for sure ,hopefully they will just go away and things will go back to normal.
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Ive been around myself since 2002. We used Adrian for our 2 ED's in 2007. Came out a tiny bit more expensive then a local dealer but was happy to do it. The sponsors deserve the business for spending their time, educating us on current programs and answering all the questions. I might have paid a few dollars more but because of what I learned on the forum Im sure I spent less then the majority of BMW buyers.

Will be a shame if the sponsors stop spending as much time as they normally do here.

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