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Old 07-18-2009, 08:38 AM
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06 750Li Tranny fluid

Any1 know where 2 get this SHELL # M1375.4 fluid for a 2006 750li
tranny pan #83220142516 . they say only from bmw dealer in a 20 liter container for
big bucks . hard to believe its not elsewhere in qts. thanks
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Old 07-18-2009, 09:32 AM
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What's wrong with your tranny? you shouldnt have to fill up the fluid on your own, BMW recommends lifetime oil or at the very least warranty should take care of problems...
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Old 07-18-2009, 01:25 PM
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Its not lifetime anymore i dont think its 6 years or 100k miles whatever comes first.
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Old 07-18-2009, 02:34 PM
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I haven't changed mine yet, but did do research on this when I first bought the vehicle. ZF calls the fluid "ZF Lifeguard 6." Also note that the tranny pan is made of plastic and has the filter embedded as part of the pan. There are a couple of alternative fluids:

1) Castrol labeled "CASTROL Import Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid." Read more here: http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp...s_ImportMV.pdf

2) Pentosin M1375.4:
http://www.rmeuropean.com/Part-Numbe..._9BA48850.aspx

I personally haven't read of anyone using either of these brands and am suspicious of how it would hold up. I would recommend going with an "official" fluid. BMW does carry the fluid as well - it is part number 83220142516. The problem I had though was that I at my local BMW shop I couldn't buy it by the liter (they have drums) although I did read elsewhere that some dealers carry by the liter and charge a ridiculous price of something like $40 / liter. There's multiple vehicles out there that share our transmission so you might want to also give other dealers a call to see their price. My guess is that many of these dealers just relabel the ZF Lifeguard 6 fluid with their brand... I know Hyundai and Jaguar are a couple:

Hyundai (Genesis)
Jaguar (XJ8)

Anyway... again my $0.02... I haven't done this job yet but will have to soon (in 10K more miles or so).
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:04 PM
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I changed mine last year along with the pan. im using castrol ATF. So far tranny feels and shifts smoothly.
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:12 PM
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That's good to hear! It's definitely the cheapest option... anyone else using Castrol?
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Old 07-18-2009, 03:59 PM
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just got castrol import atf fluid specs say 1375.4 compatible for bimmer this works and guess what $5.00 a qt. put it in my 98 740il with 110k and has been running fine for 10k and changed it myself : This is what goes in the 06 750li.
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Old 07-18-2009, 06:57 PM
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What's wrong with your tranny? you shouldnt have to fill up the fluid on your own, BMW recommends lifetime oil or at the very least warranty should take care of problems...
a little preventive maintenance at 60k doesn't hurt, this stuff is black at 100k
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Old 07-18-2009, 07:55 PM
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Where do you find the fluid capacity for the '06 750 model? ( Not on page 215 of Owners Manual ) or under transmission, etc.
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:50 PM
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So how much total did tranny fluid cost? that ATF fluid..
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Old 07-22-2009, 06:42 AM
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I know Bavarian Auto carries the AT fluid for our cars. Check out their website at www.bavauto.com. I'll be doing mine at 50k. A little PM goes a long way with a finicky AT like the ones in our 7ers.
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Old 08-05-2009, 06:25 PM
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Ive been searching all day for tranny fluid capacities. Ended up calling a dealership. For fun, i got a quote.They only have them in 20 liter and 55 gallon drums. they said if i wait till their service bay goes through half of a 20 liter container, i can buy the other half for $61.57 a liter. I was going to tell him what i thought about that price, but i held back because he was nice enough to look up the capacity for me.

I have a 04 745LI. Transmission Capacity is 9.5 qts.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:37 PM
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How were you planning on changing it...? If you drop the pan you won't get all 9.5 quarts as a lot of it will still remain in the torque converter. Based on my other cars, I'd guess you'd only get around 3-4 quarts if you dropped the pan.
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Old 08-05-2009, 09:47 PM
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cannot find AT fluid on bavauto.com? any one has direct link?
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Old 08-05-2009, 11:55 PM
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Hmm. Very good question.. This is my first auto tranny swap. I was going to drop the filter like you mentioned. I (probably incorrectly) assumed all the fluids would drain out. Has any one who has done this know any info? ive been searching all day for capacities but overlooked that. I have TIS, and it has no mention of what to do. If anyone needs a pdf copy i can post it.. I know its a straightforward job, but the TIS has torque specs.
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Old 08-06-2009, 02:05 AM
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I'm curious too to know what others have done on the 7 from a DIY perspective... On my other cars (one is 17 years old and has original transmission with 330K miles :-)), I've done all of these different approaches... As mentioned in this thread I haven't yet done this on my 7 and am interested in other folks approaches. These have all worked for me, but based on my experience and readings there are pros/cons that I think should apply to the 7 too...

- Drop pan and drain only what comes out of the pan. If it is really dirty looking (black/burnt), change fluid, then drive the vehicle, and plan to drop pan again in a few thousand miles (e.g. 5K or so) and replace again. Repeat until it's as clean as you feel comfortable with... Draining from pan will typically only drain half or less of the fluid (unless there's something special about the ZF transmission that I don't know about). However, multiple drains will eventually get you closer to where you have changed all the fluid. Once the fluid is clean, you can continue to drop the pan going forward on a more conservative intervals that change <= half the fluid each time (e.g. 30K miles). I've been following this procedure on all my older cars. If you don't let the fluid stay in long enough that it actually turns black/burnt... and to change it early enough you would probably be fine with just simple pan drop and drains...

- Disconnect a transmission cooler line at the radiator, start engine, let it pump into a container. This should pump a good portion of the fluid out of the torque converter/valve body (mechatronic or whatever BMW/ZF calls the thing - hah). Once this is done, drop pan and drain remaining fluid - this will get more fluid than just a plain pan drop. However, in practice I have seen there is around 2-3 quarts or so still left in the transmission on my other vehicle that takes ~9 qts so it is still not a "complete" drain and if you want to get it ALL clean you'd probably want to do one more pan drop at a short interval.

- Use a transmission fluid exchanger machine. This is the best way to change ALL the fluid. The machine connects to one of the transmission cooler lines at the radiator and uses the pump of the transmission itself to pump new fluid in and old fluid out. Most of these I have seen have two containers built in - one for old and one for new fluid. The problem with this is that it usually takes more fluid to completely flush. Of course, you probably don't have one of these machines so you'd have to go somewhere that does :-)

I personally like the plain old pan drop. If you don't let the fluid go too long (black/burnt), you can get by with changing <= "half" the fluid each time at shorter intervals (30K instead of waiting 60K - or 50K instead of 100K as your "comfort" level may be... I personally am a maintenance freak so try to change every 30K with a pan drop on my other vehicles).

I'm curious to hear what others are doing on the BMW...

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Old 08-06-2009, 04:30 PM
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I think im going to go with the drop pan, drive, repeat method. The only think im concerned about is that im going to be using redline synthetic as the replacement. is the new fluid mixing with whats in the TC going to be a problem? My assumption is that if its all spec'd the same then it shouldnt be a problem. Any thoughts?
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:50 PM
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Does the redline synthetic meet the Shell 1375.4 spec? I couldn't find any indication of it in the info I read...
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:01 PM
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I saw on this document:

https://www.redlineoil.com/pdf/3.pdf

In the synthetic D4 ATF paragraph it says sutible where ZF fluids are suitable. I found this sort of confusing so i emailed Redline, gave them my car model and tranny model, and he confirmed that the d4 is the correct fluid.


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UPDATE:

i found the fluid capacity in TIS. It is 11.25 with pan and TC completely drained.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:56 AM
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Hey guys i wanna change my fluid as well. Where would i find the transmission oil pan? might be a stupid question. Also i think mines is leaking and was told that the seal for the nut usually goes on the 7. Does anyone know how true is this? Thanks
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:04 PM
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Thats exactly what is happening to mine My car is lowered, i went down a steep driveway and the bottom of my car hit the road.. probably the tranny which broke the gasket seal.

You can get a oem filter from pelican parts:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/euro/cat..._pg1.htm#item1


or and aftermarket from rock auto:

www.rockauto.com


both kits come with pan/filter, gasket and orings, and a plug.


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Old 09-11-2009, 04:55 PM
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How were you planning on changing it...? If you drop the pan you won't get all 9.5 quarts as a lot of it will still remain in the torque converter. Based on my other cars, I'd guess you'd only get around 3-4 quarts if you dropped the pan.
3 qts or so is removed by dropping the lower pan on itself. once the pan is dropped it should reveal the torque convertor. on the TC there is a bolt that you loosen to remove the remaining fluid.

thats info ive gathered through multiple reliable sources in regards to the 6speed ZF tranny found on my jaguar and your bimmers.

anyone else can chime in if i missed something

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Old 09-11-2009, 04:58 PM
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my trasmission seal was leakign and the dealership said it was gonna be a long and an expensive job,

thank god for warranty
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my trasmission seal was leakign and the dealership said it was gonna be a long and an expensive job,

thank god for warranty
Thank god is right. Seems your 7 was riddled with issues, every time I read your posts you had something fixed. Or is it because you always drive it like you stole it?

How many miles on the car?
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:03 PM
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Thank god is right. Seems your 7 was riddled with issues, every time I read your posts you had something fixed. Or is it because you always drive it like you stole it?

How many miles on the car?
74k miles

i drive my car like i interpret it from the manual,

it reads "The Ultimate DRIVING Machine..."

and i ultimatly drive it like i stole it...
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