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Old 08-21-2009, 11:32 AM
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Why I drive a manual...

If BMW can't get their automatic transmission right in the 7-series, what hope is there for the X3? Read this review: NCTD 2009 7 Series

"The six-speed automatic transmission seems over-engineered, or at least over-programmed. It insists on doing far too many things for the driver, in Normal mode and with the DDC in Normal. We're not talking about our usual frequent complaint, that the manual mode isn't very manual; we're talking about a relentless number of downshifts. Basically, the transmission won't let the car glide. Around town, it feels like the emergency brake is on. Back of the throttle, and some program says: The driver wants to slow down. Let's help him! You're going 20 mph and ease off the gas for a redlight, intending to coast there, and it downshifts so eagerly that you have to get back on the gas to get there. It's like the 7 Series is a pickup truck with its transmission in perpetual tow/haul mode." (There's more on the site.)

This is why I love manual transmissions. They *always* do what you want them to do, because you're absolutely in control. You know what gear you should be in for your specific circumstances (slow car ahead, wet roads, red light that may turn green any second, curves ahead, etc.) The machine never does something unexpected.


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Old 08-21-2009, 11:53 AM
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It is amazing how newer automatics have taken away ANY driver related responses to the transmission. I really wonder how many people actually know what the 3-2-1 under the "D" means.
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Old 08-21-2009, 12:18 PM
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This is why I love manual transmissions. They *always* do what you want them to do, because you're absolutely in control. You know what gear you should be in for your specific circumstances (slow car ahead, wet roads, red light that may turn green any second, curves ahead, etc.) The machine never does something unexpected.
I couldn't agree more!!!! From a mechanical standpoint they are simpler and more robust too...

This was in the news this morning:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8378724
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:10 PM
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Well, BMW poured its money into an 8-speed AT that's coming out in the not-too-distant future.
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:14 PM
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Well, BMW poured its money into an 8-speed AT that's coming out in the not-too-distant future.

8 more ways to screw up.

They need to fix what they have now.
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:24 PM
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8 more ways to screw up.

They need to fix what they have now.
My E-39 AT is great. Guess I'll hang on to it a while longer.
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Old 08-21-2009, 02:31 PM
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I'm pretty sure this is our ZF 6 speed manual.

No pumps, servo's, bands, clutch packs, valve bodies, wires or computers. Just gears and bearings!
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Old 08-21-2009, 06:56 PM
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I'm with you guys; however, I've taken over my X3 which is automatic. My 2006 5spd AT is one of the smoothest automatics I've driven. It doesn't try to gear up too quickly, nor downshift abruptly upon slowing down. Again, I wish it was a manual but for an automatic, I have no complaints.
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Old 08-21-2009, 07:55 PM
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Yeah I don't know what direction BMW is headed. The GM 5AT works fine.
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:01 PM
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I didn't like the 6 speed auto....it seemed to always be shifting. I think it would be wise to offer the CVT tranny.....no jerking.
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Old 08-24-2009, 01:23 PM
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It seems to be common, even with the "Hondas". This is also a followup to the horrific failure rate of the V6 FWD transmissions all the way up to 2003 in the Accord/TL/Odyssesy that tended to self destruct melting 2nd gear cog.

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/civic...10-15-mph.html

Maybe the newer MPG rage has put requirements on shifting algorithms to act "jerky" at low glide speeds. I noticed with the 6pseed in the X3, it tends to downshift too early as well, causing a slight engine brake affect. Annoying? Yes. Sky is falling? No. I have yet to experience the 7 series though.

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Old 08-25-2009, 01:10 PM
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driving an X3 loaner today. 328i xdrive. The AT is maddening. Much throttle response lag from stop light. Just not feeling the love of that great in line six. As I do in my MT X3. Just much mnore connected. And btw the 09 3 series is nice, but it is not one ounce nicer or better than my 08X3 based on the E46 model 3 from 01-02? Not one ounce. The materials, the ride, nothing. OK it feels like a go-kart cause its so dang low. But everything else same to better in the X3. Just sayin
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:23 AM
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ůMaybe the newer MPG rage has put requirements on shifting algorithms to act "jerky" at low glide speeds. I noticed with the 6pseed in the X3, it tends to downshift too early as well, causing a slight engine brake affect. Annoying? Yes. Sky is falling? No. I have yet to experience the 7 series though.
Your observation is only partly true with my X3. It's obviously jerkier at low speeds, especially at low "engine" speeds. The engine would burp, surge and hesitate more when it's between 1k and 2k RPM. And this X3 "likes" to keep its RPM below 2k almost all the time! (Even when I want to merge with highway traffic) It upshifts too early and downshifts too late giving really depressing responses and torque especially in city traffic. About the engine brake effect, the problem is that it's not at all even, and that makes stopping difficult and uncomfortable. With the updates, other characteristics improved but these are getting worst over time. And no I cannot use the SD mode because it's very rough, so rough it's unusable. Even people outside might ask, "What's wrong with your driving?!?" kind of rough. In my case: Annoying, Yes. Sky is falling? Yes.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:54 AM
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Your observation is only partly true with my X3. It's obviously jerkier at low speeds, especially at low "engine" speeds. The engine would burp, surge and hesitate more when it's between 1k and 2k RPM. And this X3 "likes" to keep its RPM below 2k almost all the time! (Even when I want to merge with highway traffic) It upshifts too early and downshifts too late giving really depressing responses and torque especially in city traffic. About the engine brake effect, the problem is that it's not at all even, and that makes stopping difficult and uncomfortable. With the updates, other characteristics improved but these are getting worst over time. And no I cannot use the SD mode because it's very rough, so rough it's unusable. Even people outside might ask, "What's wrong with your driving?!?" kind of rough. In my case: Annoying, Yes. Sky is falling? Yes.
You can buy a new civic, lol.

Anyways, this behavior seems to be industry wide now. The 5 series had this problem as well. I really think the mpg rage is the culprit and these shifting characteristics are just trying to eek out the most rated mpg.

There seems to similar "problems" with the GLK over at MB.

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Old 09-02-2009, 06:43 AM
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Going from an '06 to '09 X3, one thing I really notice is the way the tranny feels when I get off the power. In the 06, it was like all the autos I've had before; it felt almost like I'd pushed in the clutch. With the 09 it feels like I'm still in gear and I'm getting engine braking. I just drove a friend's 08 Mini Sport, and it does the same thing. I like it; less of a "slushmobile" feeling (not that the 06 was a slushmobile).
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