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E60 / E61 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 04-14-2015, 04:37 PM
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Well I've been quite for a while researching e39 vs e60. And from this the e39 blows the e60 out the water. I can get a e39 m5 for 15 k and have the same maintenance costs as my 545 and be faster. The e60 added electronics to make it better but all in all mechanics is the reliable answer. It doesn't need dynamic drive or active steering. It handles amazing mechanically. So please give me reasons to stay with the e60.
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Old 04-14-2015, 05:18 PM
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Well I've been quite for a while researching e39 vs e60. And from this the e39 blows the e60 out the water. I can get a e39 m5 for 15 k and have the same maintenance costs as my 545 and be faster. The e60 added electronics to make it better but all in all mechanics is the reliable answer. It doesn't need dynamic drive or active steering. It handles amazing mechanically. So please give me reasons to stay with the e60.
Why? e39 M5, assuming it's in good shape, is a great car. M-series maintenance, of course, and age, of course -- but its hard to get a better car if you can find a low mileage version. Brilliant design, one of the truly great BMW's. So buy it if you want.
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Old 04-14-2015, 05:19 PM
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Nobody can give you reasons to stay, if you have done the research and see the e39 as a better value for you, then that's what's important.
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Well I've been quite for a while researching e39 vs e60. And from this the e39 blows the e60 out the water. I can get a e39 m5 for 15 k and have the same maintenance costs as my 545 and be faster. The e60 added electronics to make it better but all in all mechanics is the reliable answer. It doesn't need dynamic drive or active steering. It handles amazing mechanically. So please give me reasons to stay with the e60.
Ha. Mike. I don't think this is really an e39 vs e60 debate. I think you are just so over your 545 you are just itching to move on. It's kinda like a relationship man. When it's over you know. You have to go with what makes you happy. I remember you saying like a year ago you really liked the e39 which is a fantastic car and design. So I say if you find a good one for a good price go for it. Keep up posted bud
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Justin, it was a sign when I traded my 01 530i in and the dealer had a car and driver article mounted on the wall saying the 01 530i was BMW'S best vehicle made that I should've ran away. But my 545I is still a car I can't wait to drive and look at. And once the normal leaks were taken care of its been reliable. But my 530i only required 700 in maintenance up till 15x,xxx. And my 545 has been 4k and only has 104,xxx on a car 3 years newer. But looks like I'll be in the e39 forums again or on Honda-tech until I have my e39 m5 as my toy and A ______ as my daily. But once again my 545I is a beautiful and fun car but when you can have a 03 m5 with less headache and better reliability it makes it hard to stay. That's what's driving me nuts.

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Justin, it was a sign when I traded my 01 530i in and the dealer had a car and driver article mounted on the wall saying the 01 530i was BMW'S best vehicle made that I should've ran away. But my 545I is still a car I can't wait to drive and look at. And once the normal leaks were taken care of its been reliable. But my 530i only required 700 in maintenance up till 15x,xxx. And my 545 has been 4k and only has 104,xxx on a car 3 years newer. But looks like I'll be in the e39 forums again or on Honda-tech until I have my e39 m5 as my toy and A ______ as my daily. But once again my 545I is a beautiful and fun car but when you can have a 03 m5 with less headache and better reliability it makes it hard to stay. That's what's driving me nuts.
I feel ya man. I love mine too but sometimes I wish someone would steal it. Lol
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Justin, it was a sign when I traded my 01 530i in and the dealer had a road and driver article mounted on the wall saying the 01 530i was BMW'S best vehicle made that I should've ran away. But my 545I is still a car I can't wait to drive and look at. And once the normal leaks were taken care of its been reliable. But my 530i only required 700 in maintenance up till 15x,xxx. And my 545 has been 4k and only has 104,xxx on a car 3 years newer. But looks like I'll be in the e39 forums again or on Honda-tech until I have my e39 m5 as my toy and A ______ as my daily. But once again my 545I is a beautiful and fun car but when you can have a 03 m5 with less headache and better reliability it makes it hard to stay. That's what's driving me nuts.
My father has an 03 e39 530i. It's a great car, and it has been very reliable. However it feels heavy on the front end compared to my e60, not quite as well balanced, too busy on the highway, and it doesn't seem any faster, while giving poorer mpg. For my physical build, the e60 is also better, and though personal taste, a better looking car.

He has certainly spent more than 700$ in maintenance, though the car, as I said, has been reliable. That, his 635, and my brother's 3 series are what gave me the confidence to buy my e60. I have spent a little bit more than 700 on my e60, but we will see where it is at 100k before I judge it too harshly. I agree it does worry me at times.

To be honest, the manual gearbox 530i e60 I test drove was probably the smoothest power ride I have ever driven, and if there is a BMW I feel some regret about not getting it was that one.

I think your experience is more of a question of the 8 block, than the car as a whole. I question if the M5 is going to be a cheaper car to maintain. I also suspect someone else did a whole lot of maintenance to your 530i before you bought it and drove it as you did. Butt you need to buy what makes you happy.
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:39 PM
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I agree with the v8 but even if I got the 530i I'd stay witht the m54.as for the feel of the steering the e60 hides a lot with electronics so its hard to judge for me. All said and done I feel they took a step backwards.
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It's funny the first time I rode in my friends brand new 1998 M5 I was hooked, what an amazing car. Later on, my first BMW was an E39 540i, swapped it out for an X5, and then an F10 528i that looked great but that I couldn't stand due to a so called normal delay in the throttle that drove me nuts.

In short order I wound up back in another E39 540i. Traded that one for an E60 750i that was beautiful, but so complicated that it broke a lot. After that it was back to another E39 540i and now I love my new (to me) E60 528i but for some reason or another I keep looking at the E39 M5's as well.

I kind of think the same as you do, they are just one of the all-time best driving and looking cars out there and have a great mechanical design simplicity that is hard to match these days. The body lines, and interiors on the newer ones have evolved really nice but the driving experience of the E39 is pretty hard to beat so if you find that perfect M5 I'd jump on it and never look back or just add it to your stable and keep them both so that you have the best of both worlds.
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I agree with the v8 but even if I got the 530i I'd stay witht the m54.as for the feel of the steering the e60 hides a lot with electronics so its hard to judge for me. All said and done I feel they took a step backwards.
I don't understand this comment at all. My e60 does not really have anything being hidden by electronics. It has standard power assist, with rack and pinion. Rack and pinion is what I have had in all of my vehicles but the trucks. Heck my tractors have it. My father's e39 dr rack and pinion is the worst including the Volvos becuase it can't find it's center on the highway. Darn tootin it's agile, especially in town, but it's far too busy on the highway and it's nose is heavy in comparison. Because my E60 basically does three highway commutes a month of 140miles peach, it's important to me, and the e60 has it. The M54 in that e60 530i was awesome and it was a hard call, but my legs are a hair too short, and I wanted the navigation which I use heavily.

Personally I feel the e39 and e60 are BMW at it's best.
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To be fair you would need to compare the m5 to m5. You are also singling out one sibling of the family. Not a true sampling. But in the end you should go with your heart.
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Well I've been quite for a while researching e39 vs e60. And from this the e39 blows the e60 out the water. I can get a e39 m5 for 15 k and have the same maintenance costs as my 545 and be faster. The e60 added electronics to make it better but all in all mechanics is the reliable answer. It doesn't need dynamic drive or active steering. It handles amazing mechanically. So please give me reasons to stay with the e60.
Being a former E39 driver, I believe you'll have a hard time finding any former E39 owner that does not feel the same.....E39 was IMHO. The best 5 series made in many ways, I could list so many reasons why I prefer the E39 Over my E60, but unfortunately for me time goes on and I can' t find any decent E39's in my neck of the woods.
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I needed a 4 door this year, after driving a few newer 3's and 5's I found a e39 540i/6 with a stack of receipts

only other alternative I liked was a 740i sport
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It's funny the first time I rode in my friends brand new 1998 M5 I was hooked, what an amazing car. Later on, my first BMW was an E39 540i, swapped it out for an X5, and then an F10 528i that looked great but that I couldn't stand due to a so called normal delay in the throttle that drove me nuts.

In short order I wound up back in another E39 540i. Traded that one for an E60 750i that was beautiful, but so complicated that it broke a lot. After that it was back to another E39 540i and now I love my new (to me) E60 528i but for some reason or another I keep looking at the E39 M5's as well.

I kind of think the same as you do, they are just one of the all-time best driving and looking cars out there and have a great mechanical design simplicity that is hard to match these days. The body lines, and interiors on the newer ones have evolved really nice but the driving experience of the E39 is pretty hard to beat so if you find that perfect M5 I'd jump on it and never look back or just add it to your stable and keep them both so that you have the best of both worlds.
I would absolutely go for an e39 over the F10. No comparison there.

Couple of M5s in the lot I park in on my big commutes. Very nice cars. Don't think those will be sold anyime soon, the way they are loved.
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as far as comparing E60 535i to M5, IMHO the only winning point on M5 would be LSD in the rear, it makes the car tuck in on-power pass the apex. 535i with a simple software upgrade go to 375hp without even trying and comes in at 3700lb while E39 M5 400Hp at 4000lb.

if comparing new to new, I'll take M5 E39. but being older than E60, I can't say that. suspension, bushing, engine, trans etc wears more on older car. that's why talking about this would be hard cause everything is subjective.
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Engine/trans do not wear in a way u feel it

Susp bushings are such and easy maintanence item it is moot

N54 reliability and costs are worse than an e39 m5 if u can disable the airpump and code it off or a newer car without that issue
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Engine/trans do not wear in a way u feel it

Susp bushings are such and easy maintanence item it is moot

N54 reliability and costs are worse than an e39 m5 if u can disable the airpump and code it off or a newer car without that issue
Have ever dyno a brand new engine versus 60k mile one?
My trans downshift/upshift faster when new, than when they are now even after reset.

Well, I guess old cars should hold their value like a new ones, no offense.
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Have ever dyno a brand new engine versus 60k mile one?
My trans downshift/upshift faster when new, than when they are now even after reset.

Well, I guess old cars should hold their value like a new ones, no offense.
yes there tens of thousands of dyno's on same cars over and over have you never seen one?

old cars hold much better value than new ones obviously the depreciation is already done

I don't know much about crappy automatics as I do not own any, but maybe you need to change the fluid? I have auto's in our truck, cant say I can tell if it's shifting slowed but I do change the "lifetime" fluid
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My father's e39 dr rack and pinion is the worst including the Volvos becuase it can't find it's center on the highway. .
is your dads a 540? They have recirc ball not rack & pinion, and are known for what you describe when they wear out, M5 has the recirc ball too
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Caesonia, The e39 handles amazing unless it had worn bushings and maybe bad alignment but a 540 pulls a .85 on skid pad and a 545I just hits a .87. And as for the steering and electronics I was talking about earlier I'm talking about the active steering and the dynamic drive. The 540 with sport package handles just as good with less electronic help. That's all I meant. And I do agree with you the e39 and the e60 are the best BMW'S made. But I think the e39 gets a slight edge... For me.
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wcr3d, I wasn't comparing the to I was saying that I could have a better and faster car with less headache than my 545I. And if I was comparing m5 vs m5 the e39 would win for me. There's a reason that most e60 m5's have had 3 owners with only 50k miles on the clock and most e39 m5's have had 2 owners with 130,000 miles. Reliability will keep people longer than a fast unreliable car.
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