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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 10-30-2014, 08:25 AM
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Hi I have been having this problem recently in the mornings , has 42 k miles at the moment. Read out the codes last night.

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- Fault: Lambda probe front catalyst, dynamic / 02 PreCat sensor system check, bank 1 / LSU dynamic too slow
- Code: BMW 2C39
- Fault: Misfire detection cylinder 2 in 4 Firing order / Misfire detection cylinder 2 in 4.Zuendreihenfolge / Failure d
- Code: BMW 29CE
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:03 AM
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Suggest u replace your spark plugs. They are due at 45k.
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Old 10-30-2014, 01:04 PM
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Have you ever replaced injectors before? If not then you may want to look at that too. It's common problem for our car model. I got replaced all 6 injectors when it was 25K miles from dealer. let do the cheapest route first like tazinite comments
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I bought the car 500 miles ago with no maintenance history from the previous owner , I'll call the bmw of Dallas tomorrow for the history what was done and not.
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Old 10-30-2014, 09:20 PM
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Yep get the history. If you can swap your coils between cyl 1 & 2 to see if it's the plug or coils. Usually though plug replacement interval for turbo base bmw engines is every 45k. Also be aware that there are a few SA's that don't know that and will still quote 100k miles but they are wrong.
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Old 10-31-2014, 10:29 AM
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If plugs don't work, you might also look to see if there's carbon build up. Under warranty, BMW will cover a "walnut blast" to clear it up. Outside warranty, I think it's $500 - $600, but don't know for sure. They did the walnut blast on my car around 45k miles, including plugs, and it made a big difference.
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I was searching here and there and carbon buildup is one of the possibility , btw what is the warranty coverage on these cars. One more thing would like to mention when I bought the Lexus IS250 "09 at 40K I kept it till 109K and I remember changing the spark plugs and brake pads only in all those time and no engine light or anything. I wonder why the bmws are over priced with bad manufacturing quality.

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You can not compare Lexus to bmw. BMW is performance car and it required higher maintenance. I remember got my wife an RX-350 brand new and she drove it to 65K without change spark plugs, brakes pad. All I change is one time tires and 3Kmile interval oil change. We just trade it in got an X6 for her and she already regret it after 4 months driven the x6. She looking at the new Lexus now.

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One more thing would like to mention when I bought the Lexus IS250 "09 at 40K I kept it till 109K and I remember changing the spark plugs and brake pads only in all those time and no engine light or anything.
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Update : changed the plugs/coils feel lil better but still idle is rough.Has any 535 owner used Seafoam cleaner in their car and would like to share their experience. Thx
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Old 11-22-2014, 08:32 AM
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I had similar problem. It had rough idle and smoke for first 20 seconds of start up each morning. Tim Bennet from BMW Dallas diagnosed and fixed it. All 6 fuel injectors got replace, new plugs, and new low pressure fuel pump. They said the injectors were leaking into the cylinders overnight causing smoke and rough idle. This was on my 2010 535i with 50K miles.
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Yeah thas what I'm thinking to do have taken appointment at classic Bmw in Plano, the fuel injectors and high pressure fuel pump were covered under warranty ? I have 43k miles right now.
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I think it should be.....warranty is for 48K miles right?

My situation was a little different. Mine was just outside original warranty with 50K miles 2010. But I bought it at AutoNation in Lewisville. They cover anything that goes wrong in the first 60 days. They own BMW of Dallas, so I took it there. In the first 60 days, they covered the injectors, plugs, fuel pump, and water pump. I guess you could say I got lucky with my timing.

When they pull the service records, make sure you look for the water pump. If it hasn't been replaced, it will go out....and you will be stranded!
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I was reading on the forums there's extended warranty 8 years 80 k miles warranty on the fuel injectors and hpfp is covered till 10 years 120 k miles. If anyone can confirm.
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Update : SA is saying there's no warranty on the fuel injectors only the turbos and the HPFP have extended warranty, but they'll check and let me know what's wrong with the car exactly. Can anyone confirm about the fuel injector warranty.
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Update : SA is saying there's no warranty on the fuel injectors only the turbos and the HPFP have extended warranty, but they'll check and let me know what's wrong with the car exactly. Can anyone confirm about the fuel injector warranty.
when I was decing which car to buy, I saw the 80k warranty for the HPFP and turbo, not the injectors.
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Someone on the forum shared this pdf , it's for all 2010 models. Shows the warranty info.

http://cache.bmwusa.com/pdf_9a18f205...8-ee0947132da7
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Stealers refused to cover in the warranty also they won't give me the detailed diagnostic reports saying its company policy not to give away the reports to the customers , they just told me I need to replace all the fuel injectors and the front shock absorbers are leaking also seriously at 43k the shocks are leaking , I guess this would be the my last Bmw.
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how much they want to fix the injectors?
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Stealers refused to cover in the warranty also they won't give me the detailed diagnostic reports saying its company policy not to give away the reports to the customers , they just told me I need to replace all the fuel injectors and the front shock absorbers are leaking also seriously at 43k the shocks are leaking , I guess this would be the my last Bmw.
I was able to get the rescords, the just wouldn;t let me see the names of the owners.

I am sorry you are having such a bad time. Honestly, while I don't pretend to be an expert on these cars - watch me cry for help - the fact that the shocks are leaking make me think you have bought a car that was driven a bit hard. While BMW doesn't have a record of being bombproof all over, one thing I never questioned was the durability of body and suspension.

I think you can get the fuel pump taken care of, but I would really see how awful it is to replace the injectors. It was easy for me to do on Volvos, I even took them the old CIS injectors out and could ;put them on an injector cleaner. I replaced seals in a couple of Volvos for myself and friends on LH.

Is it really that hard to do?
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Stealers wanted about 2600 for the fuel injectors and 1400 for both front shocks , total was around 4000 something lol . But they did wash my already clean car/topped up the fluids and checked the tire pressure for free.
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Stealers wanted about 2600 for the fuel injectors and 1400 for both front shocks , total was around 4000 something lol . But they did wash my already clean car/topped up the fluids and checked the tire pressure for free.
Well, I would be a liar to say I don't enjoy that kind of coddling. The question is, what is it worth when the rubber meets the road. I want my car to run dependably and not need that at that mileage.

I just watched a video, and replacing the injectors doesn't seem that horrible. You will need to remove the rail, unsnap, and replace. But they won't be super cheap. Still...not 2600.
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Called the parts dept earlier today and injectors is 140 per piece and I would need either 3 or all 6 of them and I don't need to code them.
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Called the parts dept earlier today and injectors is 140 per piece and I would need either 3 or all 6 of them and I don't need to code them.
even switching injectors from cylinder 1 to cylinder 2 you will need coding!

new injectors will require programming (coding)!

but before u change anything, call BMW of NA and tell them about your problem, what year is your car and the mileage and the problems u are having and what the dealer found.

I can almost guarantee you they will fix it for free or at least eat some of the cost! Especially since u have such low miles! You might have to make a few phone calls and ask to talk to a manager and so on. They will call u back a few days after u make the first call.

its a VERY common problem with these cars

when did your factory warranty expire?
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Factory warranty expired in April of this year , I'll write a detailed email to Bmw NA they always reply in a day or two have done that in the past , will give it a try no harm there. I did ask the parts rep if I need to code them , he said it's an updated part and u don't need to code them. Just need a coupling to put the new part in.

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