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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 10-04-2009, 01:16 AM
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Cool Transmission @ ZF Dortmund D.

Just like 2 post it here..

Together with a friend which owns a E34 540i we made an appointment with the manufacturer of the automatic transmission!
We did a full service @ ZF Dortmund in Germany...

Not just replacing the oil.. but a full service like it's supposed to..

Got "wow-ed" by the service... While drinking a fresh cup of coffee they did a small revision.. on the aut.transmission and diff.!
Cleaning transmissions brain and replacing all springs,bearings etc. etc.
As an extra service they cleaned the diff. and changed the diff. oil replacing all plugs etc.

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Old 10-04-2009, 06:48 AM
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Man, I wish I could get something like that done! That's awesome, I guess you have to go to another country to get service like that anymore. Did it shift smoother after??
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Old 10-04-2009, 07:07 AM
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European Mechanics as a rule understand and value their skills better than their American counterparts, seriously.
Plus, they tend to do a thorough job on everything.
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Old 10-04-2009, 07:10 AM
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Man, I wish I could get something like that done! That's awesome, I guess you have to go to another country to get service like that anymore. Did it shift smoother after??
It shifts as smooth.. like a knife in butter...

And it reacts more direct on the gas ...

Didn't regret it at all... worth every euro....


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European Mechanics as a rule understand and value their skills better than their American counterparts, seriously.
Plus, they tend to do a thorough job on everything.
yeah just look at the cars compared to american ones

Im going to DIY what those transmission guys did
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Old 10-04-2009, 07:15 AM
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European Mechanics as a rule understand and value their skills better than their American counterparts, seriously.
Plus, they tend to do a thorough job on everything.
Everything was steam cleaned & washed... even the plastic covers underneath the car...



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Or drive a Manual Trans like myself and never have to worry about ATF flush.
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Old 10-04-2009, 07:18 AM
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yeah just look at the cars compared to american ones

Im going to DIY what those transmission guys did
No offense but I wish you good luck....

These guys have a specialty... don't underestimate them...




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No offense but I wish you good luck....

These guys have a specialty... don't underestimate them...

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it was a total joke. Only thing I am going to do sometime is new ATF fluid
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Wow!
Amazing!
Mehcanics here in the US do not want to replace the ATF, much less open up the auto transmission and clean it!

Awesome job!
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Old 10-04-2009, 09:58 AM
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Or drive a Manual Trans like myself and never have to worry about ATF flush.
Nope...

So you never have any costs?

sorry, but manual's ain't cheap either!





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it was a total joke. Only thing I am going to do sometime is new ATF fluid
But seriously....

BMW claims its long-life fluid....

Manufacturer (ZF) says.. 100 - 120.000 km's MAX>!...

Don't know how much that is in Miles...


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WOW!!! That IS amazing.

What was the total cost for a job like that? Wish I could do something like this here in the US.

And how long did it take them to do it? Did you have time to finish your coffee?

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382...Euh.... $ 557...

A normal check up and refill would cost me @ my BMW specialist approx 275

So didn't need to think twice..



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382...Euh.... $ 557...

A normal check up and refill would cost me @ my BMW specialist approx 275

So didn't need to think twice..



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Wow!
That's less than what the dealer quoted me for a normal ATF change!
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What's cheaper?

The other price isnt a fair price it's a you-do-me-a-favore-i'll-do-you-a-favor price.....

And he's not an official dealer.. He's an ex-BMW mechanic that started his own business!


the other price depends on the Liters of fluid the tranny needs.. but approx. 400 is the average...
My friends 540i needed 10 Liters (instead of the 7,5 L I needed) so his bill was like 35 more...



P.s. didn't think I'd get so much respond on this topic...



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What's cheaper?

The other price isnt a fair price it's a you-do-me-a-favore-i'll-do-you-a-favor price.....

And he's not an official dealer.. He's an ex-BMW mechanic that started his own business!


the other price depends on the Liters of fluid the tranny needs.. but approx. 400 is the average...
My friends 540i needed 10 Liters (instead of the 7,5 L I needed) so his bill was like 35 more...



P.s. didn't think I'd get so much respond on this topic...

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Are you kidding me? Everybody here is half panicking over the auto trans "lifetime" fluid. We want to replace it, afraid to do it if we have "too many" miles (nobody really knows what is too many). There is nobody that will do a service like you did.

382 is NOTHING for the peace of mind and trans overhaul that they gave you. (and by the way, he was talking about the $557 I am sure!)

How long did it take them to do one? It sounds that it was very quick. Do you know exactly what they replaced?

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What's cheaper?

The other price isnt a fair price it's a you-do-me-a-favore-i'll-do-you-a-favor price.....

And he's not an official dealer.. He's an ex-BMW mechanic that started his own business!


the other price depends on the Liters of fluid the tranny needs.. but approx. 400 is the average...
My friends 540i needed 10 Liters (instead of the 7,5 L I needed) so his bill was like 35 more...



P.s. didn't think I'd get so much respond on this topic...



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Are you kidding me? Everybody here is half panicking over the auto trans "lifetime" fluid. We want to replace it, afraid to do it if we have "too many" miles (nobody really knows what is too many). There is nobody that will do a service like you did.

382 is NOTHING for the peace of mind and trans overhaul that they gave you. (and by the way, he was talking about the $557 I am sure!)

How long did it take them to do one? It sounds that it was very quick. Do you know exactly what they replaced?

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Yes, I was talking about the $557.
Dealers want to charge more.

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I'm not sure how many miles but mine got the service done @ 225k KM.. Euh... 140k in Miles?


Everything you see and more on the picture with the white sheet is replaced (bearings,rings,filters and all gaskets) incl. the diff. gaskets and plugs.. everything is washed and cleaned!



They got 2 special mechanics which do 4 cars a day... 2 per day, per mechanic... only on appointment!!
They started on mine @ 9.15 and where finished @ 12.30..
Then the manager takes your Bimmer on a test drive with you.... Just 2 see if everythings okee...
Handing you a couple of tips..
When back , they check everything on a bridge if nothings leaking.. then you pay and go home... (@ 13.00)
It's just a service they do @ ZF! It's unique in Europa... Only automatic transmission manufacterer that does this kind of service!



And again ZF claims it's not "lifetime" oil themselfs... they advice every 100/120K KM's (62/75K Miles?)
It needs to be done...

The bill is about 2 A4 pages long with every bearing , ring and gasket on it...
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BMW claims its long-life fluid....

Manufacturer (ZF) says.. 100 - 120.000 km's MAX>!...

Don't know how much that is in Miles...


Grtzz....
Between 62,000 and 75,000 miles

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+1!
Yes, I was talking about the $557.
Dealers want to charge more.

Riskant-
How many miles were you at when you had the service done?
Dealers definitely want to charge more. As little work as possible, but more than indecent profit!!!
If ask to only change ATF (that is no flush, nor service) they charge around 1,500 $.

So 557$ to service the tranny like that = A GREAT DEAL AND PEACE OF MIND.
Prolly ZF should open a few tranny service centres in different cities here in N America.
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Wow that is great.

Iv lived the past 16ish years between Japan, Korea, and the Phillippines. Japan and the Phillippines are second to none for customer service in this area. I'am so not looking forward to returning to the US in Dec. You guys should see the servive you get at McDonalds over here in Japan...thats right...McDonalds. In the PI I got my cars AC cleaned(they took everything/the entire AC system out of the car) and serviced for 60 US!! They did it in under 3 hours. For that same service in the US it would of cost about $400, and it would have took them 3 days. Im not American bashing, but the US has a long way to go compared to other country's when it comes to customer service.
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Im not American bashing, but the US has a long way to go compared to other country's when it comes to customer service.

And those countries have a long way to go to catch up to our hourly wage rate.
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