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Old 10-04-2009, 03:24 AM
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Z3 General question about issues with the S54 rod bearings

Of all the repairs done by BMW in repairing S54 rod bearings that went bad, does anyone have data on these engines' earliest production month/year and the latest production month/year thus far?
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:36 AM
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Bearings switched to the new technology in May 2003. So all the S54 MZ3's are with the older bad bearing material and spec.
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The term "bad" is relative to how the car is driven. If you obey a redline of 7500 RPM and do not exceed that engine speed, and always use the correct Castrol TWS 10W-60 oil, BMW claims that the rod bearings should be just as durable as on any other car. In the real world I don't know what the bearings typically look like when they are changed on these cars - I think Randy Forbes is the expert in that area. I'm sure he could add some very helpful comments.

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The bearings in my 01 should've been a worst-case example, but were among the best two (2) sets I've personally seen. My car was subjected to several years of intense autocrossing and driving schools, many times holding the engine at the (original factory) redline and occaisionally exceeding it (a memorable__upshift__from 2nd to 1st comes to mind...). And my bearings really did look perfect.

A trait I've seen on all but one (1) other car, is the tendency for the bearing inserts, or shells, to rotate inside the connecting rod bore. I've seen the shift approaching 1/2" though most seem to be in the 1/4" to 3/8" range. But honestly, anything beyond .001" is too much.

I'd point you to examples, as I have pictures of all of the bearings I've swapped, but Daniel was moving this weekend and the web servers are currently down, as exhibited by the little box with the red X in it that is usually my signature.
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It's known that S54 were produced from 02/2001 through 05/2002.


I read somewhere (I can't recall now) that production of these rod bearings were subcontracted and/or found to be below production specifications that caused them to fail.

I'm not trying to be bullheaded ... but saying that ALL S54 rod bearings for the period 02/2001 to 05/2002 are ALL to be considered below production specifications does not bode well with me. Somewhere along the production timeline, there must have been reports of rod bearing issues that raised a red flag and prompt an investigation into the cause of the failure.


Dissecting the information: I want to find out the implementation of the correction in the production timeline. I can't accept the reasoning that sub par rod bearings were allowed to be installed throughout the S54 production and corrections only to be made on a case by case basis after the S54's were sold.


What I want to know the specific production period FOR EXAMPLE ONLY, rod bearings produced from 05/2001 through 03/2002.
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I guess I can't help you in your quest for empirical data. What I do remember from the timeline, was that production of S-54 engined M Rdstrs/Coupes was delayed while BMW AG was trying to figure out why their new (my2000) M3s were throwing connecting rods out the side of the engine block. Those of us buying new 2001 M Rdstrs/Coupes knew this going in, but blindly hoped the problem had been worked out. It was, partly.

PHRIDER can quote the dates of the M3 recalls better than I can, but there was more than one (1) time during engine production that parts were superceded.

As for the bearing suppliers, all the bearings I've removed have BMW's own stamp on them, while the replacement parts are made by Clevite (DANA Corp.).

I have no more information to give you, other than BMW themselves stating that engines of 10/01 through 2/02 were of suspect quality-control measures, as related to "debris in the oil pump." You can take that with a grain of salt.
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I guess I can't help you in your quest for empirical data. What I do remember from the timeline, was that production of S-54 engined M Rdstrs/Coupes was delayed while BMW AG was trying to figure out why their new (my2000) M3s were throwing connecting rods out the side of the engine block. Those of us buying new 2001 M Rdstrs/Coupes knew this going in, but blindly hoped the problem had been worked out. It was, partly.

PHRIDER can quote the dates of the M3 recalls better than I can, but there was more than one (1) time during engine production that parts were superceded.

As for the bearing suppliers, all the bearings I've removed have BMW's own stamp on them, while the replacement parts are made by Clevite (DANA Corp.).

I have no more information to give you, other than BMW themselves stating that engines of 10/01 through 2/02 were of suspect quality-control measures, as related to "debris in the oil pump." You can take that with a grain of salt.
You just gave me the best answer yet -- "... engines of 10/01 through 2/02 were of suspect quality-control measures ...".

Thanks Randy.

I just checked the production date on my S54 and it's a 07/2001. I seemed to have dodged the bullet by a few months. That's some relief. I hope that by removing the speed and rpm limiter (via Dinan Stage 2 Performace Engine Software) I didn't place the engine in a dubious position.
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You just gave me the best answer yet -- "... engines of 10/01 through 2/02 were of suspect quality-control measures ...".

Thanks Randy.

I just checked the production date on my S54 and it's a 07/2001. I seemed to have dodged the bullet by a few months. That's some relief. I hope that by removing the speed and rpm limiter (via Dinan Stage 2 Performace Engine Software) I didn't place the engine in a dubious position.
Grain of salt it is. They changed the bearings clearance if I remember right and it got worse and they went back. Don't know if that was done on the Z3's.
We tried to get people to post their engine serial number and we got around eight or so.

Check your engine serial number and post it.
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Grain of salt it is. They changed the bearings clearance if I remember right and it got worse and they went back. Don't know if that was done on the Z3's.
We tried to get people to post their engine serial number and we got around eight or so.

Check your engine serial number and post it.
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You just gave me the best answer yet -- "... engines of 10/01 through 2/02 were of suspect quality-control measures ...".
The S54 M3's of that period were subject to a service action in the US.

In mid to late 2004, ALL s54 M3's manufactured up to 6/2003 got a second worldwide service action. This included doing a service action again on the 10/01 to 2/02 cars that got the first service action.

There's a very likely reason that your car has a remanufactured engine with a date of 6/2003... right after BMW moved to the newer bearings. This probably means you may have more than just the post 5/2003 bearing upgrade.
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The S54 M3's of that period were subject to a service action in the US.

In mid to late 2004, ALL s54 M3's manufactured up to 6/2003 got a second worldwide service action. This included doing a service action again on the 10/01 to 2/02 cars that got the first service action.

There's a very likely reason that your car has a remanufactured engine with a date of 6/2003... right after BMW moved to the newer bearings. This probably means you may have more than just the post 5/2003 bearing upgrade.
Can you post your engine serial stuff?
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The S54 M3's of that period were subject to a service action in the US.

In mid to late 2004, ALL s54 M3's manufactured up to 6/2003 got a second worldwide service action. This included doing a service action again on the 10/01 to 2/02 cars that got the first service action.

There's a very likely reason that your car has a remanufactured engine with a date of 6/2003... right after BMW moved to the newer bearings. This probably means you may have more than just the post 5/2003 bearing upgrade.
Ron Stygar and I had just completed decoding my engine's casting number. We found that my '01 M Roadster has an exchanged engine -- remanufactured 10/03.

I guess I can consider myself fortunate that I do not have to concern myself with rod bearing issues such as those found in earlier produced (original) S54 engines.
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Engine December 2004
Technical Service

This Service Information bulletin supersedes S.I. B11 04 04 dated October 2004.

PERFORM THE PROCEDURE OUTLINED IN THIS SERVICE INFORMATION ON ALL AFFECTED VEHICLES THE NEXT TIME THEY ARE IN THE SHOP FOR MAINTENANCE OR REPAIRS.


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SUBJECT
Service Action: E46 M3 S54 Connecting Rod Bearings Replacement


MODEL
E46: M3 coupe/convertible with S54B32 produced from 02/12/2001 up to 05/22/2003


SITUATION
The connecting rod bearings installed in M3 coupe/convertible vehicles produced from February 2001 through May 2003 were not manufactured to BMW quality standards. As a result, the connecting rod bearings are susceptible to overheating and subsequent premature failure if vehicles are driven at higher engine speeds over an extended timeframe. This condition will cause a total engine failure.

A Service Action will be conducted on those vehicles to replace the connecting rod bearings. Additionally, the engine control module will be programmed with the latest software. Customers will be mailed letters notifying them of the Service Action shortly (copy of letter, Q & A list are attached).

The M3 vehicles produced from October 2001 through February 2002, which already had the Connecting Rod Bearings/Oil Pump Campaign 356 (SIB11 02 03) previously performed, are also affected by this Service Action.

IMPORTANT NOTE:

All M3 coupe/convertible vehicles equipped with SMG transmission affected by this Service Action Campaign are also in the range of the Service Action # 423: Reprogramming of the SMG Control Module with DIS CD 39 (SI B23 05 04). Make sure that both Service Actions are performed during the same service visit.

To minimize the customer inconvenience caused by this Service Action, you may pick-up (and deliver after repair) the affected vehicle from customer's home and provide appropriate alternative transportation.

Customers will be impressed when you return their cars cleaned inside and out and with a full tank of gas. Reimbursement information for the vehicle fueling and valet costs may be found in the Warranty portion of this bulletin.

AFFECTED VEHICLES
This Service Action involves E46 M3 coupe/convertible vehicles with S54B32 engines which were produced from February 12, 2001 up to May 22, 2003.

In order to determine if a specific vehicle is affected by this Service Action, it will be necessary to utilize the "Service Menu" of the DCS (Dealer Communication System). Based on the response of the system, either proceed with the corrective action or take no further action.

The Chassis Number Ranges listed below are only for informational purposes and are not to be considered as the only deciding factor.

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M3 convertible
EX20040 - EX24999
PK00000 PK03913

M3 coupe
JR10051 JR23641

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In the affected vehicles, replace the connecting rod bearings. Reprogram DME control module.

Following completion of this Service Action, the following engine break-in instructions must be observed by customers: for the first 1,200 miles engine speed should not exceed 5,500 rpm or road speed should not exceed 105 mph.

Engine oil service is NOT required after the completion of engine break-in period.
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Bearing replacment in 07

Note it took me two years to drive 2000 miles the car runs great the oil psi @ 4 grand 58 psi,the oil temperture in all cases 195 degree oil lead count last week 77 they think it may have to do with the racing fuel?I checked the bearing numbers they were listed as replacment for 6/2007 bearing kit 11-41-9-395-192 what does this mean is it fixed Don`t know!will try in drive it more.(ps it was my breakin oil) I have a drive this week into the mountains with Dwayne and freinds may drive it may wife get her car dirty!
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Note it took me two years to drive 2000 miles the car runs great the oil psi @ 4 grand 58 psi,the oil temperture in all cases 195 degree oil lead count last week 77 they think it may have to do with the racing fuel?I checked the bearing numbers they were listed as replacment for 6/2007 bearing kit 11-41-9-395-192 what does this mean is it fixed Don`t know!will try in drive it more.(ps it was my breakin oil) I have a drive this week into the mountains with Dwayne and freinds may drive it may wife get her car dirty!
It's 11 41 0 395 192.
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It's 11 41 0 395 192.
About two months ago I ordered that bearing kit, Just to have on hand I haven't changed the bearing.
Yesterday I ordered a new factory hardtop from BMW while I was looking thru the different parts listed on line.
I noticed they list three diffrent bearings for the 3.2.
I don't see blue and red bearings listed?
can anyone tell why there are so many different choices.
I just want to make sure I bought the right bearings (kit) for my 01 M s54 roadster.
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About two months ago I ordered that bearing kit, Just to have on hand I haven't changed the bearing.
Yesterday I ordered a new factory hardtop from BMW while I was looking thru the different parts listed on line.
I noticed they list three diffrent bearings for the 3.2.
I don't see blue and red bearings listed?
can anyone tell why there are so many different choices.
I just want to make sure I bought the right bearings (kit) for my 01 M s54 roadster.
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What you are showing is not the kit content.
Kit content shows 6 red/blue, 1 gasket, 1 oil filter, 1 o-ring, 4 nuts, 1 torx bolt and 12 screw with flange.

The Z3 screws are different in some way if I remember right. Been along time we went through this.
Ask randy what he purchases.
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Without looking up your part numbers, the choices probably relate to 1st and 2nd undersizes (crankshaft ground undersize requires a smaller diameter bearing insert).
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Without looking up your part numbers, the choices probably relate to 1st and 2nd undersizes (crankshaft ground undersize requires a smaller diameter bearing insert).
He's got the wrong data. Green yellow is crank.
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He's got the wrong data. Green yellow is crank.
Oh OK I see now maybe the three are front main, connecting, and rear main.

The site doesn't list them as crank or connecting just bearings. Sorry for the mixup,
thanks for the replies. The lack of red and blue messed me up. Nice site but no part numbers or quantity but good prices.

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It's 11 41 0 395 192.
In my hand, states they used bearing kit#11-41-0-395-192 SIB 11-04-04/SA423 PLUS OIL Pump#11-41-7-836-993
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I will, but it may be awhile before I get there because of travel and other complexities....
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I forget if you have this Ron but my engine data is 61202514326S4
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