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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 10-17-2013, 10:44 PM
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New rims too wide by just 1 inch!!

Hey guys! I purchased these very cool rims for an incredible deal. They look very clean on my car and fit perfectly. When i came to tighten it up it was rubbing against the back wall so i ended up taking it off. After some measuring its off by just an inch! I dont have much experience with spacers or adapters but any advice would be great!
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:51 PM
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The first one is the rim alone and the second one is where i ran into trouble
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:52 PM
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:53 PM
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Old 10-18-2013, 03:00 AM
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Hi,

There's not enough information to help you much currently..

What size are the wheels? width and diameter. What's the offset of each wheel? what's the centre bore size? which size tyres are on them? what part of the car are they touching? when you say they're off by 1 inch, to me it sounds as though you've got the wrong offset - they're most probably 3 series fitment, so depending on the actual offset of each wheel, you can purchase spacers to 'push them out' more and not touch/rub anything.

You've obviously gone for the deal as they're nice wheels (genuine or replica SSR GT-3's ? , based on price and you've not done the important aspect to see if they're the correct fitment first. Post up all that information and you'll get better responses and things to potentially try.

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Old 10-18-2013, 07:22 AM
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Dennis, they look like replica SSR GT3. I have the real ones so I can spot the replicas easily.
As Dennis said, there's not enough information given. No size, width and offset of the wheels. No size of the tires on them. Nobody can give you advice. They look like "high-offset" wheel, maybe for the 3-series. So you definitely need spacers to make them fit. You might have problem with hub-bored size too.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:28 AM
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Ditto Dennis & tmv...without any information as to what the wheel & tire specs are or what wheel style they are or what BMW they came off of or were designed for...there's not much we can offer as far as suggestions.

Help us help you better...give us something we can work with besides a pic of a wheel.

Until then, see the BMW wheel chart below...and you can see which BMW models share the same wheel specs:

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Old 10-18-2013, 12:45 PM
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So that the nice chart above is leveraged, I'll take the liberty of appending it to one of the relevant threads in the list below ...

- BMW wheel specs (1) & BMW & replica wheel styles (1) (2) (3) (4)

EDIT: Drat. Wheels just aren't my schtick. I haven't really spent the time and effort to figure out which is the canonical thread for wheel sizes.

In the past, I used to put as the #1 reference whatever link we had that was best, but, I learned later to put the #1 reference always as a bimmerfest reference so that we can update it (to make it more canonical).

Since I can't update that #1 thread, I might just make THIS thread the #1 thread, so that we can update it in the future. This "assignment" of canonical doesn't make it canonical - but - over time, incrementalism will make it canonical.

See also:
- BMW wheel specs (1) (2) & BMW & replica wheel styles (1) (2) (3) (4) & the difference between cast vs forged wheels (1) & how to choose the right size wheel spacers (1) (2) & where to go when you bend or otherwise damage your wheels (1) & wheel terminology (1) & Tire circumference, diameter, offset, & clearance calculators (1) (2) (3) (4) (5)

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See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need

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Thank you all for your replies! As I said earlier not the wheel expert but I just got these measurements. Btw the guy who sold them to me had taken them off of his 3 series. Okay, so heres what I measured bear with me. On the stock rim, 17.25 diameter. From the back of the rim where the bolts go in was 5.5 inches so lets say thats the depth. That was the negative offset. The tires were around 8.5 to 9 inches thick and said 215/55R16 93H on them. The rims I purchased are bigger in the back then the front. For the fronts, they're 19.5 diameter, 6 inches depth, 8.5-9 inches thick and the tires said 235/40ZR18 95W. The rear tires were also 19.5 in diameter, but 6.5 depth and 10 inches wide. The tire said 265/35R18 97V. Im unsure of what the numbers are but if you can help me I'd appreciate it. Again thank you for your replies!
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I might have used the wrong term with negative offset. Depth was the rim turned upside down and from the back of the center where the bolts would to to the end of the tire.
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Old 10-18-2013, 07:15 PM
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If these were off of an E46 then the offsets are too high.
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:34 PM
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Yes they're a little bit wide thats why I was asking for some advice.
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Old 10-19-2013, 04:17 AM
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Hi

You'll need to understand wheel sizes and offsets better I'm afraid. The sizes you give don't mean anything. The table above shows sizing measurements and all wheels will have the tech details of at least the sizing stamped into the rear of them. Check the back of your wheels, you might see information like 8jx19 or 9jx18 etc. This means an 8 inch wide wheel with a diameter of 19 inches or a 9 inch wide wheel with 18 inches diameter. etc. Next, you might see a number beginning with the letter 'ET' so could be 'ET38' or 'ET15' this indicates the offset. Bore size info isn't usually stamped in though.

As mentioned above, if they came off a 3 series then they have the wrong offset for an E39 and also most likely have the wrong centre bore.

Take a look through the various BMW forums and the wheel/tyre sections where you'll see thousands of threads discussing sizing and offset, as well as sticky threads which give you all the information you need. Cross reference for the E39 and then look for wheels which match or are in range for the E39. The current wheels are wrong, and whilst you 'can' make them fit and work, it'll involve extra spend as you'll need big thick spacers and/or hubcentric spacers and/or needing the centre bore machined.

If they're genuine, it might be worth dropping more money on them if you *really* want these wheels on your car, else sell them off and get E39 specific wheels. As mentioned by tmve39e53z32, if they are indeed replica's I'd say it's not worth it and you'd be better off selling them onto a 3 series owner and looking for E39 wheels.

Cheers, Dennis!

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Old 10-19-2013, 12:58 PM
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Thank you Dennis your advice is always great. I appreciate the help given. I do really want to put these rims on the car and would like to invest into them. Ill look under them again and see what I can find. If things do not work out does anybody know what they're worth? They have decent tires and pirrelli tires all the way around them.
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Hi,

As per above - their value depends on if they're fakes or the genuine article.

Once you know that it's easier to then evaluate an asking price which means they'll have a good/better chance of selling.

cheers, Dennis!
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I might have used the wrong term with negative offset. Depth was the rim turned upside down and from the back of the center where the bolts would to to the end of the tire.
Here's an image of a genuine BMW wheel (Style 87 from the e53 X5)...but you can see how BMW marks their wheels with specific information that makes identifying them and what the specs are. You can see the highlights what to look for or what the marking mean. Sometimes this info is around the hub, and some times its on the back side of the spokes:

Offset may be marked as "IS _ _" or "ET _ _"...as you can see in the pics below "IS _ _" is used





(and below is an 8"x18" Style 37 MPar with 13mm offset...the specs are engraved in the rear of the spokes)


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Re: New rims too wide by just 1 inch!!

I'm afraid these rims are not the right size rims for this car. For some reason, bmw got the bright idea to make the E39 work with no other Bmw rim. The center bore size is unique, and as you found out recently, the offset makes it so you can't fit 3series or other 5series rims without risk of rubbing. Luckily the demand for E39 rims is small because of a lack of applications for them, so you can get a deal on a set if you're patient. I just picked up a set of 5 BBS style 5 rims and tires for 550 bucks by waiting the guy out.

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Old 10-21-2013, 10:42 PM
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Yea I'm looking at the rim and the ET part of it is faded out. it says 18x7.5 and next to the ET it says 42. I dont see a BMW logo on the back. It says the max load and stuff doesn't completely look like the one in the picture. I guess the question is is there a way to make these rims fit my car? I really like the style of them. Some of the numbers on the back are faded out I cant tell what it says. But I was able to get the numbers above. How can I get these on?
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Sell them and get properly sized wheels. That width and offset will require pretty large spacers to fit and look right. A 17x8 +20 OE wheel is still tucked in a decent amount as a reference point.
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Eparayno, I really want to put these on the car. I understand they will need spacers. Im wondering what kind of spacers to get if theres a specific brand or something that needs to be done to get these on the car.
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:01 AM
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Believe it or not, I ran adapter spacers on my wheels too. My ACS typeIII were made for other bimmers with 72.56mm hub-bored and 35mm offset. Yes, wrong hub-bored and offset for E39. Solution: 20mm hub-convert spacers. They are bored to fit on E39 74.1mm hub and their extended hub size is 72.56mm to fit those wheels. After the spacers, the wheels have 15mm offset. The rears fit good with 255/35/18 tires (I rolled the fender lip) The front could use another 10mm.

In your case: You have to measure to see what the hub-bored is on your wheel, and buy appropriate spacers to fit them. I suspect they would be 72.56mm since they came off a 3-series. It's not a guarantee since most aftermarket wheels have large hub-bored and you would have to use hub rings for your particular application. You will need a minimum 20mm in thickness for the spacers to bring the offset back close to stock. Don't forget new extended bolts too.
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What we have here is a failure to communicate.
He's been told a half dozen different ways that those rims are not right for his car. But he really wants to put them on.

a. -- The rims are not BMW OEM, but some knock-off brand.
b. -- They are the wrong size for a 5-series.
c. -- The center bore is going to make it impossible to mount them on an e39.
d. -- If by some combination of brute force and big money he gets them on the car.....they are going to screw up the handling.
e. -- Those rims are not really that special. There is a similar BMW OEM rim that will fit the 5. I think LaLa Ray is running them on his car.

iceman -- hit the reset button on this. Sell those rims and use the charts above to find something that fits the e39. In the long run, you'll be much happier with the handling of your car.
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Id like to fit them, but if handling is going to change then it cant be an option. I'm running around 550hp with stock shocks. So handling would definitely be an issue. Thank you for the replies.
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Btw it seems H&R sells 1 inch spacers that will adapt to the rims to make them fit just did some research. But I appreciate the advice.
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if its as much as an inch spacers wont help you thats a pretty big clearance issue, id see if you can exchange them for one with the correct offset

You can make them fit, hell you can make anything fit but why bother? also messing with wheel offsets will change the way your car handles.

The offset is used by the engineers when designing your suspension and steering system,It wont break anything but the way he car drives will change.

If your considering stacking spacers then you're entering dangerous territory.spacers are good for a few mm clearance maybe a 1/4 inch or so. behond thatt and id personally start worrying about the bolts your using to secure the wheel. turner has wheel studs for racing applications that you might want to run if you decide to go this route

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