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Here ya go. Why bother with wimpy little guns.

Figured a little levity wouldn't hurt here.


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And its a Bimmer no less... see, at least now we're getting back to cars.
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It is too bad we can't talk about changing out the exhaust, tuning the suspension, or upgrading the engine. Maybe they will eventually offer some upgrades now that the X3 is getting older and people will be more prone to make changes on a vehicle out of warranty.

I think we need to get back to something most of us can agree on--how to improve our BMW experience.
Amen brother! (or should I not use a religious reference?) This is my point exaclty. This is the reason I came to this board anyway... I'm really sorry I even jumped in the thread, as I stated earlier, I knew I had nothing productive to add.

So as to avoid any further ruffled feathers, I might suggest to the moderators at this time to close this thread.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:26 AM
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I think (myself included) can agree to disagree and walk away smiling.

Now if the insurance company would only allow me to install that ejector seats I would be happy
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:51 AM
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I don't know what carrying a firearm in your vehicle has to do with a mall shooting or being shot at by a sniper at the gas station...but if I am in my car and being carjacked and I have no way to escape or my life is in imminent danger, that person will be getting ventilated in a hurry. Sorry MSNBC
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:17 PM
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I don't know what carrying a firearm in your vehicle has to do with a mall shooting or being shot at by a sniper at the gas station...but if I am in my car and being carjacked and I have no way to escape or my life is in imminent danger, that person will be getting ventilated in a hurry. Sorry MSNBC
Bingo! It's also funny that the person who hijacked this thread to begin with is nowhere to be seen.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:32 PM
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It does show that gun laws need to be universally applied across all states. I never stated you shouldn't have the right to carry. Personally, I think if you are going to carry it should be fully visible.

And fragmentation ammunition is not "fragging" someone. It breaks up upon hitting any hard surface. It was designed for close quaters combat to prevent shooting friendlies. Most police departments have it as standard issue now. Therefore, it is less risky for a police officer to return fire.



Again, I think we need to get back to a topic we can agree on---BMW's

Now if you would like to talk about building a lock box in your vehicle I can help with that. Police officers are required to keep them in a "locked up" state when not on their person for a reason.
Sorry, I was not referring to fragging as in the amunition. My point was if innocent people are being fired upon indiscriminately somewhere, a friendly with a gun is would be considered a welcome sight by most people....even though there is risk involved.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:46 PM
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If you are going to have a dedicated car gun, get a rifle. Pistol is ok for carry in the waist band, but if I am going to engage a deranged shooter, my AR15 is coming out.
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I do not see a problem with the intent of this thread. It is an X3 related question as to where one would CC a handgun in an X3, and others decided to take it off topic and talk about legalities and rights. I have no issues with those particular complaints as I know some are vehemently against such rights since it comes down to safety of innocent bystanders etc, (and they have the right to disagree) but if it is a bothersome topic, just ignore the thread.

Now back to the topic....so Glock13, where are you thinking of putting it?
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I do not see a problem with the intent of this thread. It is an X3 related question as to where one would CC a handgun in an X3, and others decided to take it off topic and talk about legalities and rights. I have no issues with those particular complaints as I know some are vehemently against such rights since it comes down to safety of innocent bystanders etc, (and they have the right to disagree) but if it is a bothersome topic, just ignore the thread.

Now back to the topic....so Glock13, where are you thinking of putting it?
I was thinking of just getting a basic holster or one specifically designed for use in a car and putting it in the center console. The door pockets would be ok too, but a little risky putting it there in case you were to forget to take it out before you open the door. It would be my CCW weapon, so it would be on myself/wife when not in the car.
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Perhaps the netting on the passenger side footwell?
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Old 11-04-2009, 05:40 PM
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That is sad. If you are that paranoid why not a redeye missle launcher? My father used to keep one locked in his trunk as part of special security detail.


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If you are going to have a dedicated car gun, get a rifle. Pistol is ok for carry in the waist band, but if I am going to engage a deranged shooter, my AR15 is coming out.
Umm the deranged sniper here in MD/VA/DC was using an AR15.


As I said before...if you can keep it in a secured location in your vehicle I see no problem with keeping a firearm in your vehicle. None of what you mention is a secure location.

Keeping an MP5 mounted in the back or a .223 is foolish as you cant take it with you,which means someone can break into your car and take it. Then what?

Even the secret service have their weapons secured when not directly on their persons for a reason.


Please one of you step forward that has been shot at and defended themselves with a sidearm or assault weapon.

I have been shot at on three seperate occasions and don't carry. The firearms I do have are locked up in a gun locker for a reason. The many of same reasons the police and military do.
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Evlengr....maybe this thread is not the place for you. You seem to have a lot of angst towards the Second Amendment. By the way, you still never answered the question on whether you want to have a firearm on your side if you were at Trolley Square. Unfortunately for you, it does not matter whether you approve/disapprove of someone having a firearm in their car. Certain states grant this right, not you.

Also, why have you been shot at so many times? I have lived in a house that was someone attempted to break into at night....a gun in a gun locker would have been as helpful as a stapler in that situation. It's great that you carry a baton with you wherever you go and have not needed a firearm. But let's settle down on the hate towards CCW, it's getting a little ridiculous now. Hit the showers and cool off for a little bit. We can resume the debate tomorrow.

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Even the secret service have their weapons secured when not directly on their persons for a reason.

Are you against the Secret Service being armed?
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Umm the deranged sniper here in MD/VA/DC was using an AR15.
You act like an AR15 is evil.... .223 is a varmint cartridge, big deal. What did you expect him to use a pellet gun? He should have been using a .308 anyway

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Keeping an MP5 mounted in the back or a .223 is foolish as you cant take it with you,which means someone can break into your car and take it. Then what?
Foolish? I would sure hate to have only a 9mm if I'm cornered by a group of thugs with SKS's. Sidearm to fight your way back to your rifle... If somebody breaks into my car and steals my rifle, then what? I guess they got a gun. They are obviously criminals anyway and I'm sure me having a more secure firearm would not stop them from acquiring one.
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Ok I guess I'll have to spell it out. This has nothing to do with the second Amendment so lets not go there. I never said you shouldn't have a firearm.


Professionally trained people in both the military and police forces recognize the need to keep firearms locked or secured in some fashion in their vehicles unless physically on their person.

This is to prevent them from being taken and used by other people.

How do I know this:

Almost every member of my adult family has either served in the police force, military, or both. Some secret service, some counter-terroism, some standard local police.

I on the other hand I have worked in the music industry for most of my life. Whether it be nightclubs, rock venues, radio stations, etc...

Many of these places have people that had a right to CCW and exercised that right in a drunken stupor or fit of rage. In one case a person that was thrown out came back with his Desert Eagle and would have killed me if he wasn't such a lousy shot.

I am not debating your right to carry. I am debating the issue of promoting unsafe use of weapons on a site dedicated to the "BMW Experience".

Why do I define it as unsafe, because the several members of my family that are still active police officers agree that mounting a sidearm or in one post an assault weapon in an open unlocked area is unsafe.

My brother in law also mentioned that if he saw a holstered weapon like in the photo during a standard traffic stop --- that you would find it a memorable experience.

For refereence: I have an alarm system in my house and several tasers. They do just fine at securing an assailant.
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Who said the sidearm is left in the car when it is unattended. The point of me starting this thread is to find an accessible place to put the firearm while in the car. When I leave the car, I would take it with me.
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Ok I guess I'll have to spell it out. This has nothing to do with the second Amendment so lets not go there. I never said you shouldn't have a firearm.


Professionally trained people in both the military and police forces recognize the need to keep firearms locked or secured in some fashion in their vehicles unless physically on their person.

This is to prevent them from being taken and used by other people.
By the way, I know plenty of ex-military and military (including myself) who do not carry their sidearm on their body while in the car.
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You act like an AR15 is evil.... .223 is a varmint cartridge, big deal. What did you expect him to use a pellet gun? He should have been using a .308 anyway.

Are you a complete @#@$%--people died in this situation.


That is WAY OUT OF LINE. Please tell the deceased FBI family members that he should have used a bigger gun to kill their loved one.:asshole:
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By the way, in a previous post, you said you think people who carry should have to carry visibly. But now you are saying guns should be locked up while in a car. Kind of contradictory, don't you think?

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By the way, in a previous post, you said you think people who carry should have to carry visibly. But now you are worrying about guns being locked up while in a car. Kind of contradictory, don't you think?
Not at all. If they are on your person. If they are not on your person there is a greater risk of being removed and used by another. Kind of simple logic don't you think? That is why police and paramilitary lock up their shotguns and assault weapons. They are not supposed to remove their sidearm of that reason (and many more).

If you have the weapon on you it will be difficult to take it away without getting shot. On the other hand if it is in the holster in the side panel and you have an accident you will more than likely be attending to the safety of others or yourself and run the risk of having the weapon taken.

Thats about it in as simple a terms as I can make it.
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