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F10 / F11 (2011 - Current)
The new chapter in the highly successful story of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) and wagon (F11)

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Old 11-11-2009, 04:51 PM
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Car and Driver has the new BMW 5-Series

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Earlier this year, we identified the compact 3-series as the backbone of the BMW brand. Spokesman Daniel Schmidt, however, has corrected us. “The 5-series is our most important model.”

A new 3 is a couple of years away, but a new 5-series will debut in just a few months, so we can understand why he places the importance on the 5. A completely redesigned, sixth-generation 5-series will debut at the Geneva auto show in March. Given the internal code name F10, the new 5-series comes exactly seven years after the launch of the current model, the E60.

Technologically, but thankfully not aesthetically, we get a good idea of this new F10 from the awkward-looking 5-series Gran Turismo, known to insiders as the F07. Like the 5-series GT that’s currently waiting in the wings, the new 5-series sedan will lose its predecessor’s vaunted, lightweight aluminum front structure. The next 5 will have a far more conventional composition, presumably to save on costs. But in fact, BMW says careful use of high-strength steel lessens the need for expensive aluminum in order to meet overall weight targets and the lauded 50/50 weight distribution. Aluminum will still be used, mainly in the doors, the hood, and the trunklid, good for a weight savings of about 50 pounds.

Like the 5-series GT, the next 5 will be available with four-wheel steering, as found on the 7-series. All-wheel drive—or xDrive, as BMW has branded it—will be an option for several models, but the 5 retains rear-wheel drive as standard. Further technological highlights include the inevitable nanny systems we’ve come to expect in this segment: a lane-departure warning system, radar-based adaptive cruise control, a head-up display, and a night-vision system with pedestrian recognition.

Initial engine offerings for the U.S. will likely remain close to those of the current model, with the 230-hp, naturally aspirated 3.0-liter 528i as the entry-level model and the 300-hp, turbocharged 535i a notch above. Like the GT, the turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six in the new 535i will now use a single blower with direct fuel injection. The top spot, for the time being, is reserved for the 400-hp 550i, which will be powered by the twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V-8 that we’ve come to appreciate in the X6 and the 7-series. For all models, power will be channeled through a ZF-sourced eight-speed automatic; a six-speed manual may be available, but it might only be offered in Europe.

Non-U.S. models include naturally aspirated four-cylinder gasoline engines as well as four- and six-cylinder turbo-diesels. Although stateside sales of the 335d (diesel) have been sluggish, a 535d, with its 265-plus-hp, 3.0-liter inline-six turbo-diesel, is a strong possibility in showrooms. BMW is also working on a full hybrid version of the 5—based on a gasoline model. A few years into the new 5-series’ life, the engine portfolio will change to more fuel-efficient turbocharged, direct-injection four-cylinders that will likely spell the end of the silky-smooth inline-sixes of the 528i and 535i. A start-stop system that shuts off the engine automatically when the car is stopped will become standard.

For performance fans, a new M5 is due in 2011. A turbocharged 4.4-liter V-8 will replace the 500-hp, 5.0-liter V-10. This V-8—previewed in the 555-hp X5 M and X6 M—will be enhanced to make close to 600 horses while maintaining the fuel economy of the V-10. The M5 will have a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission similar to the gearbox offered in the M3. A six-speed manual is technically possible, but our sources say don’t hold your breath. Pity.

If you were put off by the strange lines of the current 5, you will be glad to know the next generation will be more crisp, lithe, and sporty, with a lower and sleeker look that is complemented by pronounced horizontal headlights and L-shaped taillights. The interior departs from the reduced aesthetics of the current model and moves to a richer look that is nearly identical to the 5-series GT’s.

Four months after the sedan is launched in Geneva, BMW will add a Sport Wagon (“Touring” in Europe)—and we hope it will be offered here as well.
We're getting the eight-speed!

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Old 11-11-2009, 05:10 PM
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now these renderings look good
especially the side view.
but really no manual for the US?
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Old 11-11-2009, 06:08 PM
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Looks good
I also like that the 7- and 5-series look like siblings again
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:32 PM
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I'm disappointed that they did not increase the horsepower in the turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six. I'm sure BMW could have squeezed another 30 or so horsepower out if they had stayed with twin turbos instead of going to the single turbo design (likely for emissions). That's an improvement that would have sealed the deal for me.
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Old 11-11-2009, 08:40 PM
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I'm sure they didn't like the mag reviews questioning the 550i's redundancy when the 535i first came out... I'm guessing they're not going to let that happen again
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now these renderings look good
especially the side view.
but really no manual for the US?
I sure hope BMWNA offers a stick in the 5er. For me, no stick == no sale. I am a 3er guy now after 3 yearsin a 545i, but these new 5er renderings look absolutely amazing. It's very disappointing to think that BMWNA will go the way of Merc and remove the option of a manual transmission in all but a few models.

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My understanding is that they will offer xdrive on all models. What I am most interested in is if they will be offering a true sports package with the xdrive models.
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My understanding is that they will offer xdrive on all models. What I am most interested in is if they will be offering a true sports package with the xdrive models.
Really? Where did you hear that?

It's certainly a possibility from a technical standpoint insofar as BMW has brought Xdrive to the 7 Series platform with the same engine, but I think BMW has always tried to keep the V8 5 Series as a pure sports sedan and a move to Xdrive in the 550 would represent a pretty radical change in philosophy.

I've read BMW will eventually bring Xdrive to the 550 GT, but that's a glorified SUV so it's still consistent with BMW's underlying V8 sports sedan view.
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Old 11-12-2009, 09:16 AM
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Are you guys sure theese pictures are not renderings

Are you guys sure theese pictures are not renderings
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Old 11-12-2009, 09:52 AM
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Are you guys sure theese pictures are not renderings
They are renderings, not actual pictures.
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:49 AM
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Very classy and sporty. A far cry from the monstrosity that was the E60. The side view of the vehicle looks like it's one car as opposed to the E60 where the front 2/3s looked continuous; however, the last 1/3 shot off in a different direction (at least it looked that way to me).
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I really like how the LCI E90 and now the F10 resurrect the hood creases that go back from the roundel. I always thought that the E60 and E90 hoods are really uninspired. These new surface contours really give some depth to the front of the car.

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Really? Where did you hear that?

It's certainly a possibility from a technical standpoint insofar as BMW has brought Xdrive to the 7 Series platform with the same engine, but I think BMW has always tried to keep the V8 5 Series as a pure sports sedan and a move to Xdrive in the 550 would represent a pretty radical change in philosophy.

I've read BMW will eventually bring Xdrive to the 550 GT, but that's a glorified SUV so it's still consistent with BMW's underlying V8 sports sedan view.
I can't find anything other than conjecture however the fact that the 750i is now going to be offered with Xdrive may be some indication considering it's the same engine. I'm not sure why they need to keep the 550i as a pure sports sedan rather than leave it up to the buyer. To me, it makes more sense that the M5 is the model that should be kept as a pure sports sedan with RWD only.
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We're getting the eight-speed!

I'm going to go back to my other thread and wish for a pony. http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=409730
I'm still hoping for a 550 with a DCT!
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If that is it, - not bad. gotta see it from all angles.

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Looking good, but I hope the grill and the bumper are not a single part in the real car.
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Looking good, but I hope the grill and the bumper are not a single part in the real car.
Oh no, it would be the end of the world as we know it.
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I'm still hoping for a 550 with a DCT!
Not going to happen. But all the reports say the new M5 will have it.
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Any info on the interiro size? It looks a bit shorter than the E60, but could just be the styling.
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Oops, That was INTERIOR size.
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Wow. Big improvement over the current E60 which was a styling mishmash. I was following a new 7 the other day and it suddenly occured to me--the 7 is no longer ugly from the back! The side profile of this new 5 shows that it also has a trunk shape that has been integrated into the car as a whole--it no longer looks like a fiberglas kit car add-on.
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It's got too many ridges in the hood. It just looks too busy; it's not clean enough. IMHO the E60 hood is better, and the E39 hood is better still. Other than that I like the look. I wouldn't want to drive a car that looks like that though. It's just way too vulnerable to damage. The grill is practically flush with the bumper. The doors have no ding protection at all. That's ok on a Saturn with Rubbermaid door panels, but on anything else it's just begging for door dings. Of course I don't think they'd actually build a car that looked just like that. The front quarter panels and the front bumper are all one piece in that rendering. If the bumper was made of metal instead of the usual springy plastic it wouldn't meet federal bumper bashability requirements, so the quarter panels would have to be made of heavy plastic.

My 2002 525i may be my last BMW if they don't offer a stick though. That'd be enough of a betrayal that I'd be tempted to buy an Audi just out of spite. Then again, I don't really like Audis (not sure why), so I'd probably end up in a CTS if my 525i wears out before they wise up.
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Looking good, but I hope the grill and the bumper are not a single part in the real car.
They won't be. They can't be. It would violate bumper regs.
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Looks good, but maybe a tad conservative (which matches the trend with the new 7). I'm one of the guys who loves the current E60 design. To each his own ...
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