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Old 11-23-2009, 01:35 PM
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New 5 has more features than our 7 :(

reading the new5 details, it seems the car has all the technologies/features of the 7 and more (parking assistant, dynamic xenon standard, 8spd tranny).....

mb always differentiates its S class from the C and E when it comes to features. in this case, it seems the only difference is body size and price. i feel ripped.
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:36 PM
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I agree, not saying that the new design isnt beautiful but c'mon the 7er is supoposed 2b the flagship sedan and now its meerly a larger version of the 5.
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These new features will probably be added to the 7 soon. They can't stand still... they always have to innovate. Remember the head-up display didn't even get to the 7 until 2009!
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These new features will probably be added to the 7 soon. They can't stand still... they always have to innovate. Remember the head-up display didn't even get to the 7 until 2009!
Yes im sure the next model 7 will get additional features but the point is the 5 series is damn near identical to the 7, that shouldnt be.
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Yes im sure the next model 7 will get additional features but the point is the 5 series is damn near identical to the 7, that shouldnt be.
They won't wait for the new model. All of these features will be incorporated into the F01/F02 refresh in 2012 at the latest. I think the 5 acutally looks like a mix of the current 3 and 7 series. The interior is all 7.
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identical interior, more features, cheaper price.......unfair. they should have kept some gizmos unique to the 7, cmon even the black panel instruments were carried over.

nothing is unique to the 7, things are even lacking.
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Old 11-23-2009, 03:23 PM
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What a gyp. Saving some gizmos for the 7 is important for the "exclusivity" factor. They seem to be whoring out the 7 and all its parts on the cheaper cars.
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reading the new5 details, it seems the car has all the technologies/features of the 7 and more (parking assistant, dynamic xenon standard, 8spd tranny).....

mb always differentiates its S class from the C and E when it comes to features. in this case, it seems the only difference is body size and price. i feel ripped.
Fear not bruno787, BMW always introduces new technologies in the 3er, 5er, sometimes the X5 and then pack all those technologies and more into the 7er. Their flagship is guaranteed to always have the best technologies...but it depends on what MY you get
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Yes im sure the next model 7 will get additional features but the point is the 5 series is damn near identical to the 7, that shouldnt be.
Agree. This is wrong. What could BMW be thinking?
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I understand some of us are very upset but BMW has always being this way. New technologies, features, options, etc are gradually introduced/tested on other smaller series and they're all eventually bundle and loaded into the 7er.

Forget about more features and options in the new 5er. It look like a mini F01...the side mirrors, the tail lights, the big pull down grill (EU requirement), the side view cameras, etc. Is it just a coincidence that they're both designated F01 and F10?


The entire interior is a clone of F01



However, i noticed that the shift lever is different...


...compare to F01


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Actually, I'm pleasantly surprised how different the exterior of the new 5 looks compared to the 7 considering the spy photos that have been floating around.

The interior is an entirely different matter. No originality in the design. They even gave it PADDLE SHIFTERS!
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To me the exterior looks the same as the 7, its just not as boxy and has a smoother edges like the 3series, but otherwise its the baby brother. I'm nolonger upset tho because all n all u can definitely differentiate between the two cars. I'll be honest with u guys my plan was to trade my 7 for a s550 amg as of march 2010, however the new 7 is starting to grow on me so I may keep it in the family.

BTW, is the wood in the 7 as shiny as the 5. I like the 5 series interior and seats.
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ohhh....the new5 even parks itself? duh.
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btw, it seems its got "whiter angel eyes"????
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btw, it seems its got "whiter angel eyes"????
Yep.


The corona ring lights are now white LED rings similar to Audi, MB, and Porche white LED daytime running lights but BMW kept the rings.
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The one thing that is most anoying when expressing a concern is a reply similar to "we've always done it this way." - the bane of all those committed to improving a situation/company. BMW truly needs change here. They are alone in this "perculate from the bottom to the top" philosophy. To my knowledge Mercedes, Audi, Porche, Jaguar and Caddilac - BMW's chief competition, do not handle technology in this way. It alienates BMW's most affluent buyers and is monumentally stupid.


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I understand some of us are very upset but BMW has always being this way. New technologies, features, options, etc are gradually introduced/tested on other smaller series and they're all eventually bundle and loaded into the 7er.

Forget about more features and options in the new 5er. It look like a mini F01...the side mirrors, the tail lights, the big pull down grill (EU requirement), the side view cameras, etc


The entire interior is a clone of F01


However, i noticed that the shift lever is different...


...compare to F01


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btw, it seems its got "whiter angel eyes"????
Those lights can be changed; there are two per side and I hope to have the H8 bulb change completed sometime this month. I'll keep you posted.

We bought their falgship car, supposedly. I'm a little ticked I don't have the satellite map on my flagship car. If BMW starts upgrading ours free of charge, fine. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Those lights can be changed; there are two per side and I hope to have the H8 bulb change completed sometime this month. I'll keep you posted.

We bought their falgship car, supposedly. I'm a little ticked I don't have the satellite map on my flagship car. If BMW starts upgrading ours free of charge, fine. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
are you buying the H8 white bulbs of PIAA? extreme white i think.
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I'll be honest with u guys my plan was to trade my 7 for a s550 amg as of march 2010, however the new 7 is starting to grow on me so I may keep it in the family.
I spent a lot of time looking at the S class before ordering my 750. To me, the outside was maybe a toss up. The inside was not even close. The 7 series blew away the S-class.

I've owned Mercedes for years on years and I changed about 4 years ago. I just think BMW does a better job from a corporate point of view as well. I have always found my dealings with Mercedes corporate to be acceptable at best while BMW has always gone above and beyond.

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Even though I'm about to take delivery on my new 7, this doesn't bother me. It's a corporate strategy and I can see why they have taken it. The 7 is still the 7 and has plenty of tech. I will say that some of the features on the new 5 are desirable while others I don't care for at all. Of course, this will vary widely by customer. While Parking assistant wouldn't be useful for me, I definitely like Top View. The 5 will also have the "oneshot" voice recognition for nav - saying the address as one sentence and the system parses that out into the various elements of city, street, etc. In theory, this should make voice input much more natural and therefore useful. This actually is coming to the 7 both for nav along with an expansion of voice command input for control of external audio devices (iPod), but not until next year. For those interested, my information from BMW AG is that oneshot will be available in US 7 vehicles starting on 3/2010 and voice control of iPod's in 9/2010. I think the latter one may be worldwide and not just a US availability date.

For some reason, I also like the illumination below the iDrive on the new 5. That's probably just the tech geek in me as I'm sure some folks will find it cheesy.

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From my experience when buying cars over the years it is not unusual that new models in different lines come out with options that are not available in other cars. This happens all the time with MB.

Eventually, it all catches up and eventually the car you are buying has all the new toys. It all depends where in the cycle you buy.

I agree that all car manufacturers are doing less differentiation between their cars. I suppose this is trying to save money by design time or maybe somebody claims they are trying to give the brand a similar image so it is recognizable. This part I don't necessarily agree with but BMW is not alone. Ever put the different MB models side by side. You can hardly see the difference between a C class and a CL.
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are you buying the H8 white bulbs of PIAA? extreme white i think.
Not a fan of PIAA, but I'll be buying what I can find. Not impressed with the board sponsors blowing me off on them, but it's not a high ticket item I guess.

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I spent a lot of time looking at the S class before ordering my 750. To me, the outside was maybe a toss up. The inside was not even close. The 7 series blew away the S-class.

I've owned Mercedes for years on years and I changed about 4 years ago. I just think BMW does a better job from a corporate point of view as well. I have always found my dealings with Mercedes corporate to be acceptable at best while BMW has always gone above and beyond.

Just my humble opinion.
Thanks for sharing this. I had several E Class, primarily E55's. They lost me when they changed the body style and made the car cheaply.
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I understand some of us are very upset but BMW has always being this way. New technologies, features, options, etc are gradually introduced/tested on other smaller series and they're all eventually bundle and loaded into the 7er.
I think you have got that the wrong way around...

BMW has traditionally always put the latest technology in the Flag Ship models and then after ironing out all the kinks, it then pushes them down the model range.
Take I Drive for instance...that was first released on the 7 and then after a few years of teething, it was pushed to the 5 and eventually the 3.
Their reason for this is that they will not impliment a new technology on their biggest income generator, namely the 3 and 5 Series. They would rather realease it to the 'smaller' market that there is for the 7 Series, so that if anything goes really wrong, it does not make THAT bigger impact on their sales...

Was this was with the E38 and E65...probably the F01 too...
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Dude - did you buy your car to drive it, or did you buy it because you liked the idea of owning the flagship BMW, festooned with a bunch of electronic doodads that you thought non-7 owners wouldn't get to appreciate?

Who gives a **** if people who buy the 5 get to look at the same instrument panel as you? Does that suddenly make your car any different? The handling less precise, the engine not as smooth, the headlights dimmer, the seats less comfortable? No! Drive your car, and enjoy it, and forget about whether the next guy to walk into the dealer gets more gadgets than you.
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