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Old 12-05-2009, 08:04 PM
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Unhappy Road Rash!!! WTF Could Have Caused This?

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Longtime since I have posted but, I haven't run across this problem on the site. ROAD RASH is a MF with the 20" Sport wheels on the X5, but this is crazy!

I thought my wife was beating up my wheels when she drove the car, but when I look at the rash on BOTH front wheels I'm thinking something else caused this.... If you look at the marks, it almost looks like a pattern. The only thing I can think of is a car wash, but the wash that I use only has a guide track on the drives side, not both.

I do drive the car hard (hell, it's a $75k BMW)! Has anybody else seen this?

And, can anyone recommend a site where I can purchase new OEM wheels (must be cheaper than the dealer is offering $2300).

HELP!!! Looking at my wheels gives me the chills....
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Old 12-05-2009, 08:45 PM
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I'm thinking like you.....it's got to be the car wash. Does your wife use the carwash often? If so, that must be it. Maybe your wife took it to a different place.
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Old 12-05-2009, 09:15 PM
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If you take it to a drive in car wash...well, why worry about the wheels?
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Old 12-06-2009, 02:42 AM
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If you take it to a drive in car wash...well, why worry about the wheels?
Car washes have progressed to the point that the only one that leaves any marks on my car is the one from the dealer. For those of us not blessed with lots of warm, sunny days or the time to spend washing and waxing, the heated, Soft-Tec, underbody wash equipped car washes are a godsend.
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Old 12-06-2009, 02:46 AM
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It looks like it was caused by hitting pot holes. Looks like a hard sudden impact. If I had to guess the roads where you live suck and everytime you hit a pot hole it is rashing the he!! out of your wheels.
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Old 12-06-2009, 02:57 AM
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I see some spots inside the scratches that look to be red in color. Does that offer any clues? As far as car wash guides; aren't they all positioned below rim height? The marks on your rims seem to reach at least 4 inches high. BTW, you really should reinstall the valve stem caps. Either OEM or ones made out plastic.

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Old 12-06-2009, 05:23 AM
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When a rolling object (wheel) contacts a stationary object (curb or car wash rail) the contact produces a symmetrical curved mark. This wheel rash doesn't look like that. Unless the stationary object (curb or car wash rail) is almost the same height as the tire and barely contacts the wheel popping off flakes of the wheel's finish (i.e. the very edge of the wheel is actually rolling on top of the stationary object).

Is the pattern the same on ALL four wheels?

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Old 12-06-2009, 09:16 AM
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I am married so I know road rash on wheels. That does not look like the effect of curbing.

I am thinking this is from the rails in a car wash - those Y spokes are wiiiide. My 997 C4S has 305-30-19's and I would not trust the local car wash chain with them. Aren't the 20's 335 in width???
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:45 AM
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I am married so I know road rash on wheels. That does not look like the effect of curbing.

I am thinking this is from the rails in a car wash - those Y spokes are wiiiide. My 997 C4S has 305-30-19's and I would not trust the local car wash chain with them. Aren't the 20's 335 in width???
Yes, indeed they are about 10" wide in the front and 11" in the back.

We're both on the same page because normal road rash doesn't leave a pattern - leaves scratches and nicks but, not patterns.
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:47 AM
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"Is the pattern the same on ALL four wheels?

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That's the thing, not on the back wheels, which are wider. I would think if it were the carwash tha back wheels would be worse!?!?
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Old 12-06-2009, 09:57 AM
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If you take it to a drive in car wash...well, why worry about the wheels?
I've lived in CA and was more than happy to use the self service car washes out there - loved em'. But, in NYC (Manhattan to be exact) those washing places just don't exist. You're lucky if you can find a "hand wash" that is a real hand wash. Most are regular car washes with brushes replaced by people with mits (which BTW was the type of wash I have used in the past).

Finally, we do have real hand wash spots in the city but, they are very expensive (for lux SUV's you're talking $45 and up) AND you're going to have to wait!

Nonetheless, the concensus is that they are indeed caused by the car wash. You're right, I won't be using them anymore!
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:01 AM
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I'm thinking like you.....it's got to be the car wash. Does your wife use the carwash often? If so, that must be it. Maybe your wife took it to a different place.
Think it's the wash!!!

Although, my wife doesn't care much about the cleanliness of the exterior - to get her to wash it is like being allowed to watch the game in the living room, won't happen.
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Old 12-06-2009, 10:05 AM
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I see some spots inside the scratches that look to be red in color. Does that offer any clues? As far as car wash guides; aren't they all positioned below rim height? The marks on your rims seem to reach at least 4 inches high. BTW, you really should reinstall the valve stem caps. Either OEM or ones made out plastic.
Good eye! The red color in the pictures are caused by the cell phone cam. No red marks on the wheels.

You're right, have to replace the valve caps.
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:29 PM
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Also, I just remembered that the dealership around here can fix curb marks for a very moderate price; much cheaper than new rims. My colleague had one of his done after his wife kissed a curb. You couldn't tell it'd ever been damaged.
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:25 PM
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Looking at the images, my bet is that it wasn't caused by curbs. As stated before, if you scratch along a curb, the marks wouldn't be in a 90 degree angle and certainly not in such a regular pattern.
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Old 12-07-2009, 10:21 AM
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Car wash damage. The front wheels take the hit because they "guide" the car on the tracks. The back wheels follow.

Go back to the car wash and show them the damage.

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Old 12-07-2009, 11:52 AM
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Car wash damage. The front wheels take the hit because they "guide" the car on the tracks. The back wheels follow.

Go back to the car wash and show them the damage.

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Two problems......first, most (if not all) car wash places state on the receipt and all over the car wash that they are NOT responsible for car damage resulting from the car wash...especially wheels.

Secondly, the OP or his wife drove off the lot. Even without any such waivers, you're SOL once you leave the lot.
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Old 12-07-2009, 12:16 PM
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you know,... you can fix those... I just did... depending on the damage, 170$/wheel... ( mine was pretty bad - pothole actually had bend the rimm... They fixed it and the rashes too...
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:10 PM
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I would go to your car wash to see if it has red guide rails. As mentioned earlier you can see red paint in some of the dings. There's probably nothing you can do about it now but at least you may find the reason for the damage...
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:12 PM
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OP,
When was the last time you or your wife had your car washed at any car wash place?
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FWIW
1 - The wheel in all three pictures is on the RIGHT hand side of the X5 (note the brake caliper).
2- The OP says the car wash he uses has a guide rail ONLY on the DRIVER's side (which I think is still the LEFT side in NYC).
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3 - The OP's wife would let him watch the game in the living room, before getting the X5 washed

So the car wash rail damage theory seems pretty unlikely to me.

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Old 12-07-2009, 06:05 PM
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FWIW
1 - The wheel in all three pictures is on the RIGHT hand side of the X5 (note the brake caliper).
2- The OP says the car wash he uses has a guide rail ONLY on the DRIVER's side (which I think is still the LEFT side in NYC).
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3 - The OP's wife would let him watch the game in the living room, before getting the X5 washed

So the car wash rail damage theory seems pretty unlikely to me.

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Very good Funf Dreisig

Indeed, 2 of the pictures are of the right side. Damage is equally as bad on both front wheels.

Stumped on the cause at this point! But, I'm sure it's not normal road rash at this point.

Now I'm off to purchase replacements (or fix, if possible).
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:07 PM
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OP,
When was the last time you or your wife had your car washed at any car wash place?
Says she hasn't washed. Starting to wonder if the dealer uses a car wash? But, they wouldn't use the type that would cause this type of damage, I think?!?!?
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Old 12-07-2009, 06:13 PM
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Try bmwwheels.com

IT is the internet storefront for a BMW dealer in Arizona with the best new BMW wheels I've found...

GL

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PS Dealers do dumb stuff all the time... they may have a damaged car wash, and decided to 'manage' the problem passively...
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Snow chains? Tire installation machine?

It just doesn't look like curb rash...

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