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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 12-29-2013, 05:22 PM
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Rough Shifts

Experiencing some rough gear shifts in my 08 550 in cool weather below 50 degrees. No problems once the car warms up. Is this normal? I have SAT transmission.


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Old 12-29-2013, 05:27 PM
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Mileage? Original transmission & fluid? Any error codes?
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Old 12-29-2013, 05:34 PM
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Mileage? Original transmission & fluid? Any error codes?
62k miles, original trans, no error codes. Have to check on last trans fluid change.


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Old 12-29-2013, 06:24 PM
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I highly doubt it's ever been changed

I'd reset adaptations first. Check for fluid leaks also
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Old 12-29-2013, 06:26 PM
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I highly doubt it's ever been changed

I'd reset adaptations first. Check for fluid leaks also
How's that done? I have no visible fluid leaks. Have an appt for tail light recall this week.


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Old 12-29-2013, 06:28 PM
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Need INPA or access to the software/hardware the dealerships have ("ISTA")

Some claim you can push the accelerator to the floor for 30 seconds while the ignition is "on" (ENGINE OFF) to accomplish the same reset. It did not work for me, but may be worth a shot in your case?
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:39 PM
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Need INPA or access to the software/hardware the dealerships have ("ISTA")

Some claim you can push the accelerator to the floor for 30 seconds while the ignition is "on" (ENGINE OFF) to accomplish the same reset. It did not work for me, but may be worth a shot in your case?
I did the reset, and did here some noises coming from the tranny but did not notice a "fix" for the problems I've been having, which is the tranny getting stuck in third after climbing a steep grade, and while stopped at a light or stop sign a rough downshift to first. Of course the stealership said they couldn't duplicate the issue after 3 days.
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Old 12-30-2013, 05:23 AM
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[QUOTE=jcbryant6;8043222......and while stopped at a light or stop sign a rough downshift to first......[/QUOTE]

I am wondering if the problem above is similar to the link below - Existing Common Issue - Engine Vibration at Idle (stopped).

@OP, change the oil and follow ZF instructions carefully and only use ZF ATF i.e. lifegaurd6. Schpenxel has a DIY on changing the ATF and solenoids.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:48 PM
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Do a pan and fluid change. I've been on a 30,000 mi schedule ,,I just turned 100,000 miles and have done 3 pan and fluid changes. So far my tranny functions flawlessly , everyone tells me it's excessive but I'm sold on the idea to keep the tranny fluid clean and swapped out before it gets too dirty. Keeping clean fluid flowing thru the Selinoids to me is the key to maintaining the longevity of the transmission. Knock on wood so far so good. It's worked for me.
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Old 01-07-2014, 07:13 PM
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Update on transmission rough shifting: Dealership called to say that the trans is very sensitive to changes in fluid levels; they found a minor fluid leak (absolutely no evidence of a leak in my garage). SA also said he would be very surprised if the diagnosis suggested a fluid change. They are fixing the tranny leak along with a minor oil leak which they also say they found. (Still no leaks on garage floor.) Have not had my car since last Friday; however, I did get a 2013 528 courtesy car to use instead of the usual 3 series. SA says my 550 should be finished tomorrow. Stay tuned.


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Old 01-08-2014, 01:54 PM
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Update on transmission rough shifting: Dealership called to say that the trans is very sensitive to changes in fluid levels; they found a minor fluid leak (absolutely no evidence of a leak in my garage). SA also said he would be very surprised if the diagnosis suggested a fluid change. They are fixing the tranny leak along with a minor oil leak which they also say they found. (Still no leaks on garage floor.) Have not had my car since last Friday; however, I did get a 2013 528 courtesy car to use instead of the usual 3 series. SA says my 550 should be finished tomorrow. Stay tuned.


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Pleasssssse don't say they put the old fluid back in. Or gave you that "lifetime fluid" crap. Since it was up on the lift it would have been the best time for a 6 liter drain and fill, at least. That at least gets you to 50% new fluid.

ZF says change it between 48-72K miles. They mean all of it, but even a 50% refresh is a good thing to do, as you reach towards 70K.

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Old 01-08-2014, 07:04 PM
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Got a call tonight -- car is finished. Picking up tomorrow; will report what happened.


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Old 01-09-2014, 10:22 AM
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I did the reset, and did here some noises coming from the tranny but did not notice a "fix" for the problems I've been having, which is the tranny getting stuck in third after climbing a steep grade, and while stopped at a light or stop sign a rough downshift to first. Of course the stealership said they couldn't duplicate the issue after 3 days.
I've actually had the same exact problem one or two days last week after the steep driveway exist at my work garage. I have 34K on my car now and have been wanting to do the fluid/pan change for awhile now. I just need to take a day off and find a good Indy shop in Houston.

Curious to see the outcome for the OP.
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Ok. My car's rough shifting was apparently due to the compromised trans fluid level which was due to a weakened mechatronics seal and pan gasket. They replaced the vacuum pump and, of course, the seal, gasket, sealing sleeve and trans fluid. Car drives like new again, thank God. And thank God also for my extended warranty -- total cost of repairs: $1300. By the way, I also got the tail light recall work done on both, my 550 and the wife's 535.


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Update: The rough shifting returned. SA said they would try updating the computer -- that failed. Now, we're talking about replacing the entire transmission! Didn't see that coming Just hoping the extended warranty steps up to cover everything!


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Old 02-07-2014, 05:31 PM
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Update: The rough shifting returned. SA said they would try updating the computer -- that failed. Now, we're talking about replacing the entire transmission! Didn't see that coming Just hoping the extended warranty steps up to cover everything!


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Only 62,000 thousand and needs,, A new trany ? That's hard to believe
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Only 62,000 thousand and needs,, A new trany ? That's hard to believe
Agreed, maybe it helps that my car pretty much stays in Sport Mode?
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i had no error codes at any time. The only time i noticed the problem was thru the first 3 or 4 starts in the morning. After that the trans shifts just fine.


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Does it do it on all 3 shifting modes ?
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Does it do it on all 3 shifting modes ?
Don't know. Only used auto. Shouldn't do that in ANY mode.


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