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Old 10-02-2003, 02:32 PM
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But, one thing is true, and this might be part of what Bangle wants, is that you do notice the butts! As you say, all the others seem to disappear in to the sea of similar designs while the Bangle Butt stands out and draws your attention to it and the rest of the car. Isn't that what all designers of any structure want... to get you looking. The fact that you then either hate it or love it is relatively immaterial, as they already got you thinking.
I think the above statement gets to the root of the matter: Some people like understated and others like overstated.

Personally, I fit in with the understated crowd. Like Alex said, if you like the look, then buy, otherwise, move on to something else.
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Old 10-02-2003, 03:39 PM
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have a good looksee at how other auto designers have integrated an increased height trunk deck into their cars ... all of these cars also have a design where there is a clear need to increase trunk space, but you NEVER notice any oddity about these designs.

why this is unable to be done with the new designs sure is odd.

I don't think the new BMW trunk look has anything to do with increased cargo capacity. It's a styling thing that you either like or don't like.

It is hardly noticable on the new 5-series, in my opinion. In person the 5-series comes across as a bland "anycar" rather than an ugly car.

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Old 10-02-2003, 03:43 PM
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I don't think the new BMW trunk look has anything to do with increased cargo capacity. It's a styling thing that you either like or don't like.

It is hardly noticable on the new 5-series, in my opinion. In person the 5-series comes across as a bland "anycar" rather than an ugly car.

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Yes, according to Chris Bangle, it had to be that way because of the overall increase of the car's height (compared to the E38).
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Old 10-02-2003, 03:49 PM
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BTW, what the **** do y'all carry in your trunks that you ask the designers for more and more and more space? I can lie down comfortably in my 'little' E30 trunk, even with the subwoofer there. I carried the old M20 bottom end in there.
That's a great question. I'd love to know too. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if our e46 trunks hold the same or less as your e30 trunk. For all the big butts out there, I don't really see a great such a great increase in cargo capacity to justify it. I think the justification for the larger butts on newer cars is less about capacity and more about aero-dynamics.
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Old 10-03-2003, 10:26 AM
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according to Chris Bangle, it had to be that way because of the overall increase of the car's height
Do you believe him?

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Old 10-03-2003, 11:48 AM
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i was pretty sure there was some practical consideration to it; but as the 6 series also has some curious stylistic details, it is all about style and has zero to do with trunk space.

i just can't figure out how someone with an art degree designs something to look like that.
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Old 10-03-2003, 03:26 PM
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is the coupe trunk space a lot less than the sedan on an e 46?


aty- I have fit 2 sets of golf clubs with long drivers easily
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Old 10-03-2003, 04:05 PM
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But, one thing is true, and this might be part of what Bangle wants, is that you do notice the butts! As you say, all the others seem to disappear in to the sea of similar designs while the Bangle Butt stands out and draws your attention to it and the rest of the car. Isn't that what all designers of any structure want... to get you looking. The fact that you then either hate it or love it is relatively immaterial, as they already got you thinking.
If that's true, Pontiac has the best design studio of anyone. (The Aztek amongst others)
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Old 10-03-2003, 06:31 PM
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If that's true, Pontiac has the best design studio of anyone. (The Aztek amongst others)
Asstek....
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For most rational people, yes. But there is quite a large population of folks for whom status is the prime motivator. How else do you explain the Rolls, the Bentley, the Maybach, etc.
I'm not arguing, just expressing a different point of view...

Status is also rational. When you cross a certain line, you do what's expected of you. You go to a fancy restaurant, you dress up, don't you?

And as for Bentley's, I was given a ride in one...and...it's quite an experience, status aside. Such cars are justified. Just like Ferraris and Astons.
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After the number of 7's I see around here, I am already used to them. Yeah the butt is the problem, but one of the explanations I heard a while ago that it was needed to be that big for aerodynamic purposes. I think Bangle even said that if they didn't make it that high, it'll have to be 1 foot longer.

Anyways not to hijack the topic, but after thinking what is it that i didn't like about 7, I understood that it was the ratio of greenhouse (glass) to the side body panels. I believe that before, the ratio was closer to 50/50, maybe 55/45 or 60/40 (smaller number being glass). with new 7, that ratio went closer to 70/30, and i didn't like the look of a tank. of course with new nissan designs, whose ratios sometimes approach 80/20 on a pretty tall car (see g35 coupe, FX, Z), made me look at the 7 in a little better light.

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Old 10-04-2003, 09:22 AM
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Old 10-04-2003, 11:26 AM
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Old 10-05-2003, 10:24 AM
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Yeah the butt is the problem, but one of the explanations I heard a while ago that it was needed to be that big for aerodynamic purposes. I think Bangle even said that if they didn't make it that high, it'll have to be 1 foot longer.


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After Bangle first said this, I thought to myself "why is it other car-makers were able to make large cars that don't look like this?".

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Old 10-07-2003, 05:44 AM
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Old 10-07-2003, 05:45 AM
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Here in Detroit we call it the "Asscrack". No catchy names for the 7 series yet, though.

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Old 10-07-2003, 09:38 AM
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No catchy names for the 7 series yet, though.
You mean "Bangle Barge" hasn't caught on yet
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